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>> I think our relationship

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is too comfortable.

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>> Comfortable?

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Isn't comfy good?

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>> You just told me you wanted

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to take a picture of your poop

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and put it on the Internet.

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>> We are so cute.

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>> Mm-hmm.

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We are so lame.

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>> Have you guys thought about,

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like, inviting in a professional

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into your boudoir?

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>> We're wearing the same thing.

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I was the changer!

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>> No, we're trying to become,

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like, more learned

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in the realm of romantic love,

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not terrifying kinkiness.

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>> Oh, my God.

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>> Babies are best, yes,

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but lately I've been

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feeling like I'm a baby.

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>> Agreed.

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>> I didn't think we would take

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both bulls

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by all the balls.

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You brought only beer?

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>> I didn't...know!

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>> It's nice when you stop

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trying to have an adventure

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and just let it happen.

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>> Konnichiwa!

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I don't even know

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what we want to watch.

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>> I'm also really tired.

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>> I'm so gassy.

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>> Mm, mm-hmm.

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Oh, my God.

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Look at this little guy.

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>> Look at that little face.

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>> Hey, little guy, tiny man.

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>> Sir, she's a girl.

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>> Sorry.

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How's that for keeping it fresh?

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>> Manifest destiny.

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>> Manifest that destiny.

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Here I am, New York.

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>> [ Laughing ] What?

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>> I might cry.

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>> This is going

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to be so awesome.

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You are going to need so much

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more coffee.

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Three words --

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lesbian cheese cave.

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>> Three 18-year-old identical

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triplet brothers...

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>> Are you guys...

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>> Identical triplets?

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>> ...stranded in a world

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that doesn't want them...

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>> No, it's too much.

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Man, I can't do it.

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>> I've made up my mind.

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I want to end it all.

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>> ...searching for meaning

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amidst the chaos of supernatural

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evil...

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>> Ghosts!

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Ghosts feed off of bad juju.

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>> I'm not going to be nice!

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I'm going to be so mean!

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>> I am the bad guy.

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>> ...a timeless story of lust

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and revenge...

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...with mystery and intrigue

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around every corner.

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>> Your dead parents

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are very much alive.

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And that's the dream

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that I had last night.

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I should probably cut back on

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all that dairy right before bed.

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Hey, did everyone go home?

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I guess I'm the last one

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at the office again, huh?

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>> Oh, my God.

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The park.

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This is a perfect venue for us.

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Isn't it a beautiful park?

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>> It's a lovely park,

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but, actually -- actually,

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this is the next venue

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in your price range.

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It's got parking on-site.

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It's right by the train,

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and it's perfect

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for a ceremony such as yours.

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>> Mm, but when I envisioned

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an outdoor location...

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[ Horns honking ]

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...this wasn't quite

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what I was thinking.

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>> I don't know.

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Do you have anything to say,

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Chad?

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>> I like the pretty flowers.

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>> Sure. Sure.

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with a lovely view

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of Flatbush Avenue

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and the southern entrance to

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the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens.

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is literally in the same lot,

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and there is a set prepackaged

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meal for their quality

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world-famous cuisine.

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>> Well, Henrietta,

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that's very sweet

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that they are providing food,

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but, um, I believe we discussed

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in great detail

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that I need an organically

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grown, locally sourced,

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entirely vegan bill of fare.

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>> Got it.

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>> And cookies.

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>> Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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Well, lucky for us,

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the contact for the venue

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is also the franchise owner and

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the official marriage officiate,

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so I think we're going to make

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this work!

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We're going to make it work out!

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But, um...

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oh, well, there is one thing.

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Due to the store's contract

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with Pandora, it seems that

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there's a nonnegotiable clause

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that the music will have to be

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either Maroon 5

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or the U2 radio stations.

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>> No.

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Alex and Gina have written

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a beautiful folk song for us

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to walk down the aisle to,

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and I just have to have.

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I just have to have it.

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I have to. I have to.

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>> Breathe.

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Hey, hey, hey.

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Hoo, babe.

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>> [ Breathing heavily ]

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>> I know this is your

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special day.

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>> It is.

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>> Yes.

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And you're going to have it

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your way, and I'm not going

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to let anything ruin it.

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All right?

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>> You know I'm all for thinking

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outside of the bun.

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I just -- I can't stomach

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this place for a second longer.

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>> This is the only place

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that has available

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dates all year.

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>> I'm loving it.

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Can we sign straightaway?

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>> Sure. Here.

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Let's go this way.

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>> Beautiful.

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>> We're going to just cross

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over here

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and then just hop the fence.

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>> This is so exciting, to have

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us all in a room together.

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And now that everyone has gotten

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a little taste

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of what you guys all do,

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why don't we just talk a little

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bit about what you do,

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give yourself

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like three professional titles

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and how you got

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into kind of film --

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film worlds.

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Why don't we start over here

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on the right with Steven?

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>> My name is Steven Hajar.

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The last clip you saw

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was my web series,

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"Affordable NYC."

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I am a writer, an actor,

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director.

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I'm going to throw in improviser

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just for the hell of it.

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I do lots of different things,

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and, you know,

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I write for online websites

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and other capacities

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making people happy and laughy,

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and so, yeah, that sort of,

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like, brought me to this world.

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Is that all the question?

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>> That's all the question.

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That was the whole question.

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>> Hi, everybody.

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I'm Michael Wolf.

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"Triplets of Kings County"

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was my series.

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I'm also a writer, director,

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and a performer.

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I produce and host comedy

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shows around New York,

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including Literatti and OSFUG,

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and I professionally write

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and produce and direct videos

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in a freelance capacity,

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working for places

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that'll have me.

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>> Cool.

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>> And I also like

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making people happy.

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>> I'm Christine.

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I also try to make people happy,

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I guess.

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You know, laughter is important.

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I'm a freelance DP.

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I was the DP, creator,

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producer, editor,

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maybe sound person,

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not what I do...

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>> Sometimes.

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>> ...sometimes for

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"The Better Half."

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I went to NYU Film School.

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I've been freelancing

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for 10 years now.

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Been in the industry

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for 15 years.

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Oh, my God.

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I'm old!

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But I work --

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Currently, I'm shooting a show

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for Vox Media called

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"Divided States of Women."

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It's actually launching today.

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You guys should watch it.

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It's with Liz Plank.

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I also shoot a lot of

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commercials,

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documentaries, narratives --

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anyone who will have me.

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>> I'm Leyla,

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and "The Better Half"

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is also mine.

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I'm a director, a writer,

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and during the day,

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I'm an assistant direction

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supervisor at

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a commercial production company.

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to NYU Film School,

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and I guess

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just watching

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"The Baby-Sitter's Club"

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when I was, like, 9.

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I was like, "Yeah,

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let's do that."

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Not babysit.

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>> Not babysit

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but make the show.

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>> But the club.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Later, for everyone's

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benefit,

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since I'm assuming there are

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a lot of students here,

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everyone will go around

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and say their ages,

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if they feel comfortable,

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so we can all know

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where we're supposed to be

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by a certain age because

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there's only one absolute.

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I just wanted to throw it

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out there now.

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>> Competition.

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>> Yes.

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>> I like it.

321
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>> Sounds good.

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>> Okay. So, web series.

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I feel like I've heard you all

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say that you all do so many

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things, and I think it's very

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true that there's one moment

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where you're laughing with your

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friends and you're kind of

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spitballing an idea,

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and then someone says,

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"We should make a web series,"

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because I feel like that's how

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all good web series start.

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So can you guys just share

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the stories

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of that moment for you?

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Was it laughing?

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Was it anger at a certain

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piece of news that made you want

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to write something?

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What kind of sparked the idea?

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Let's start on this side now.

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>> Oh, okay.

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>> You want me to start?

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>> I'll start.

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No, I think it was definitely

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this desire to

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want to do something on our own,

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and I think it was --

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I mean, I hadn't known Amy and

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Lindsay that long, but Christine

352
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had, and, you know, it was more

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of like we never see something

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that looks like who we are

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and how we live our lives.

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So we thought that'd be

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a really good place to start.

358
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>> Yeah.

359
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>> How 'bout you take over?

360
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>> Cool.

361
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So Lindsay is a writer-actress,

362
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and she's amazing.

363
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She's hilarious.

364
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I met her on another web series

365
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that I shot

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where she was the actor in it,

367
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and so I kept in touch

368
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with her over the years,

369
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and I've always wanted

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to make something of my own,

371
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being a freelancer, and I think

372
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it's important to always work

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on stuff that you love,

374
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that you have creative control

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over, with people that you love

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and people that you want

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to collaborate with.

378
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So I always kept in touch

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with her, and I was like,

380
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"You're hilarious."

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Like, "You are so funny,

382
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and I just want to make

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something, anything, with you."

384
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So we had an Easter brunch

385
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and invited Lindsay

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and Amy over, and then

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we're like, "Oh, my God!

388
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Look! We're both couples!

389
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We're both gay!

390
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Why aren't we on TV?!"

391
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Not that I would be on TV,

392
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but we just had this epiphany.

393
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>> They can be on TV.

394
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>> They wanted to be on TV,

395
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which is great,

396
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and they look great.

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So we just, you know --

398
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I think we met up another week,

399
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like, the next week,

400
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and we're like,

401
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"So let's talk about

402
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how to make this a series,"

403
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or how to make this

404
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a narrative arc,

405
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and then we just kind of

406
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started there,

407
00:11:05,532 --> 00:11:06,833
and then they had written

408
00:11:06,833 --> 00:11:07,634
some stuff

409
00:11:07,634 --> 00:11:08,868
that was more, like, an everyday

410
00:11:08,868 --> 00:11:10,470
kind of couple comedy.

411
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So we just took little pieces

412
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of that, and then we kind of

413
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helped them --

414
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helped build this, like,

415
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greater narrative for the season

416
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that added

417
00:11:17,844 --> 00:11:20,246
a little bit more conflict,

418
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and that's kind of

419
00:11:21,247 --> 00:11:22,515
how we did it, so, yeah.

420
00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,484
>> Cool.

421
00:11:24,484 --> 00:11:25,351
Who's next?

422
00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:26,219
>> I can go next.

423
00:11:26,219 --> 00:11:27,353
>> We don't have to go in order.

424
00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:28,688
>> I mean, if it's already

425
00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:30,223
started, let's just keep going

426
00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:31,057
down the line.

427
00:11:31,057 --> 00:11:32,125
>> Let's just keep it going.

428
00:11:32,125 --> 00:11:33,126
>> So "Triplets of Kings County"

429
00:11:33,126 --> 00:11:34,794
actually has two seasons

430
00:11:34,794 --> 00:11:35,795
because the first,

431
00:11:35,795 --> 00:11:36,763
as everyone knows,

432
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is wildly successful.

433
00:11:38,631 --> 00:11:39,866
I'm sure you remember seeing it

434
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on TV.

435
00:11:42,168 --> 00:11:44,504
No, we made two, despite,

436
00:11:44,504 --> 00:11:45,438
you know,

437
00:11:45,438 --> 00:11:47,006
it not necessarily blowing up

438
00:11:47,006 --> 00:11:48,308
because we had a lot of fun

439
00:11:48,308 --> 00:11:49,075
characters

440
00:11:49,075 --> 00:11:50,543
and stories we wanted to tell,

441
00:11:50,543 --> 00:11:51,911
and that first one was actually

442
00:11:51,911 --> 00:11:52,845
one of the first

443
00:11:52,845 --> 00:11:54,380
big film projects

444
00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:56,649
I was involved in in New York,

445
00:11:56,649 --> 00:11:59,018
and my friends Colin

446
00:11:59,018 --> 00:12:00,453
and Terrence,

447
00:12:00,453 --> 00:12:01,988
the two other triplets --

448
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We are identical.

449
00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:05,658
They're real-life brothers,

450
00:12:05,658 --> 00:12:06,893
so I'm lucky I got in on that

451
00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:09,262
family at the ground floor.

452
00:12:09,262 --> 00:12:11,230
We were friends, and we were all

453
00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:12,799
in the comedy world

454
00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:14,467
as performers and writers,

455
00:12:14,467 --> 00:12:16,636
and there were a lot of --

456
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I feel like web series

457
00:12:17,470 --> 00:12:19,772
sort of have dips

458
00:12:19,772 --> 00:12:21,641
and peaks where, suddenly,

459
00:12:21,641 --> 00:12:22,942
everybody is making some,

460
00:12:22,942 --> 00:12:24,043
and then, suddenly,

461
00:12:24,043 --> 00:12:25,278
they're no longer cool,

462
00:12:25,278 --> 00:12:25,878
and then they're back

463
00:12:25,878 --> 00:12:27,046
in a big way,

464
00:12:27,046 --> 00:12:28,181
and this was one of those times

465
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where a lot were coming out,

466
00:12:29,115 --> 00:12:30,950
and our friends were putting out

467
00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:31,818
all these things,

468
00:12:31,818 --> 00:12:32,986
and we were like, "We don't see

469
00:12:32,986 --> 00:12:34,921
our humor represented in this."

470
00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:36,456
It was a lot of just, like,

471
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two people having a conversation

472
00:12:37,890 --> 00:12:39,559
in one Brooklyn apartment,

473
00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,293
and so we wanted to,

474
00:12:40,293 --> 00:12:41,494
like, make a world.

475
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So we had --

476
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A friend at work had said,

477
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"I have to have

478
00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,701
a housewarming party."

479
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He had just moved into a new

480
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apartment.

481
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He said, "I have to have a

482
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housewarming party

483
00:12:52,205 --> 00:12:53,039
because if you don't have

484
00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:53,740
a housewarming party

485
00:12:53,740 --> 00:12:54,540
within the first month,

486
00:12:54,540 --> 00:12:57,410
your apartment gets bad juju,"

487
00:12:57,410 --> 00:13:00,013
which I thought was very funny

488
00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:02,315
and as just a cool, strange

489
00:13:02,315 --> 00:13:03,282
thing, and I talked to a few

490
00:13:03,282 --> 00:13:04,350
people who had also, like, heard

491
00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:04,651
that.

492
00:13:04,651 --> 00:13:05,752
I'd never heard that before,

493
00:13:05,752 --> 00:13:07,887
and so we started from this

494
00:13:07,887 --> 00:13:09,122
end point of these people

495
00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:11,391
who move into a new apartment,

496
00:13:11,391 --> 00:13:12,225
they throw a party,

497
00:13:12,225 --> 00:13:13,226
but they can't get anyone

498
00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:13,960
to come

499
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,030
and thus get haunted and --

500
00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:17,830
just because they weren't

501
00:13:17,830 --> 00:13:18,631
popular enough

502
00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:20,233
to ward off the bad juju,

503
00:13:20,233 --> 00:13:21,467
and then the ghost sticks around

504
00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:22,602
and is their really

505
00:13:22,602 --> 00:13:23,403
boring roommate,

506
00:13:23,403 --> 00:13:24,070
and from there,

507
00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:25,571
the world sort of grew,

508
00:13:25,571 --> 00:13:27,473
and we began scripting out,

509
00:13:27,473 --> 00:13:28,374
"Well, if there are ghosts

510
00:13:28,374 --> 00:13:29,042
in this world,

511
00:13:29,042 --> 00:13:30,443
what else can we have?"

512
00:13:30,443 --> 00:13:31,778
And I always loved kind of

513
00:13:31,778 --> 00:13:33,646
absurd comedy like "Stella"

514
00:13:33,646 --> 00:13:35,114
and "The Mighty Boosh,"

515
00:13:35,114 --> 00:13:36,983
a lot of strange British things,

516
00:13:36,983 --> 00:13:38,718
and so we just thought,

517
00:13:38,718 --> 00:13:39,519
"If we're making this,

518
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we might as well make the world

519
00:13:41,087 --> 00:13:46,059
we want to see," and so we did.

520
00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:46,859
>> Yeah.

521
00:13:46,859 --> 00:13:49,362
I also think that is very much

522
00:13:49,362 --> 00:13:50,296
how I ended up

523
00:13:50,296 --> 00:13:51,597
generating content from,

524
00:13:51,597 --> 00:13:52,865
like, sitting around and joking

525
00:13:52,865 --> 00:13:55,101
about things with my friend

526
00:13:55,101 --> 00:13:55,868
who actually

527
00:13:55,868 --> 00:13:56,803
is one of the people

528
00:13:56,803 --> 00:13:57,704
who pushed me to write

529
00:13:57,704 --> 00:13:59,138
because I had been working,

530
00:13:59,138 --> 00:14:00,606
like, a vaguely

531
00:14:00,606 --> 00:14:03,276
9:00-to-5:00 death job,

532
00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:04,944
like, in a rehearsal studio

533
00:14:04,944 --> 00:14:06,279
in Midtown, like,

534
00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:07,513
opening the door to, like,

535
00:14:07,513 --> 00:14:08,881
successful people, like,

536
00:14:08,881 --> 00:14:09,515
seeing people

537
00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:10,817
get their dream jobs.

538
00:14:10,817 --> 00:14:11,918
Literally, "Hamilton" was

539
00:14:11,918 --> 00:14:14,087
rehearsing before it was even on

540
00:14:14,087 --> 00:14:14,821
Broadway, and I was like,

541
00:14:14,821 --> 00:14:15,788
"Keep the racket down!

542
00:14:15,788 --> 00:14:16,689
I'm trying to sit here

543
00:14:16,689 --> 00:14:18,124
and write my stuff!"

544
00:14:18,124 --> 00:14:19,092
[ Laughter ]

545
00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:20,293
Not knowing, of course,

546
00:14:20,293 --> 00:14:21,260
what was right behind me.

547
00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:22,428
But so my friend Jen Tullock,

548
00:14:22,428 --> 00:14:24,163
who is also a content creator,

549
00:14:24,163 --> 00:14:26,032
amazing performer and writer,

550
00:14:26,032 --> 00:14:26,766
her series,

551
00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:28,601
"Disengaged," is phenomenal.

552
00:14:28,601 --> 00:14:29,602
You should all check it out.

553
00:14:29,602 --> 00:14:32,538
I think it's on Super Deluxe.

554
00:14:32,538 --> 00:14:34,741
She was just, like, telling me,

555
00:14:34,741 --> 00:14:35,541
as she was hearing

556
00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:36,275
all the funny things

557
00:14:36,275 --> 00:14:37,610
I was saying about how awful

558
00:14:37,610 --> 00:14:39,245
working in that environment was,

559
00:14:39,245 --> 00:14:40,813
was like, "Just write about it

560
00:14:40,813 --> 00:14:41,814
and just make something out of

561
00:14:41,814 --> 00:14:42,749
it," and that's how I made my

562
00:14:42,749 --> 00:14:43,382
first web series,

563
00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:44,250
you know, just because my friend

564
00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:45,051
pushed me,

565
00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:46,319
and then she pushed me to go

566
00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:47,420
to the gym with her one day,

567
00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:49,155
and so we had to walk by

568
00:14:49,155 --> 00:14:51,190
the Wendy's on Flatbush Avenue

569
00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:52,091
in Leopard's Gardens,

570
00:14:52,091 --> 00:14:53,459
and we literally were

571
00:14:53,459 --> 00:14:54,293
walking through.

572
00:14:54,293 --> 00:14:55,061
I don't know

573
00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:55,928
if any of you have been there.

574
00:14:55,928 --> 00:14:57,363
There's, like, a triangular park

575
00:14:57,363 --> 00:14:59,432
that's maybe, like, 5

576
00:14:59,432 --> 00:15:02,702
square feet, triangular feet,

577
00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,070
and there's, like, a little path

578
00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:04,904
through it,

579
00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:06,038
and there's beautiful flowers,

580
00:15:06,038 --> 00:15:07,006
and she was going

581
00:15:07,006 --> 00:15:08,207
through wedding preparations

582
00:15:08,207 --> 00:15:08,875
and couldn't

583
00:15:08,875 --> 00:15:10,910
afford any of it, right?

584
00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:12,478
Just being a person in New York,

585
00:15:12,478 --> 00:15:13,079
it's impossible

586
00:15:13,079 --> 00:15:14,313
to afford anything,

587
00:15:14,313 --> 00:15:15,948
and I literally was like,

588
00:15:15,948 --> 00:15:16,749
"Imagine

589
00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:18,417
if this was your wedding venue,"

590
00:15:18,417 --> 00:15:19,719
and she was like, "That's funny.

591
00:15:19,719 --> 00:15:20,720
You should write it,"

592
00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:21,454
and that, like,

593
00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:22,688
spurred something, you know?

594
00:15:22,688 --> 00:15:24,423
And so, literally, the funny

595
00:15:24,423 --> 00:15:25,758
conversations you have,

596
00:15:25,758 --> 00:15:27,360
even the sad conversations

597
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:28,961
you have with people can, like,

598
00:15:28,961 --> 00:15:30,730
be a treasure mine of,

599
00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:32,498
like, content to be made.

600
00:15:32,498 --> 00:15:32,965
>> Yeah.

601
00:15:32,965 --> 00:15:34,066
Absolutely.

602
00:15:34,066 --> 00:15:35,635
I find --

603
00:15:35,635 --> 00:15:36,569
I'm really just asking you

604
00:15:36,569 --> 00:15:37,170
questions

605
00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:39,939
that I want to ask,

606
00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:42,041
that I want to know.

607
00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:42,975
That's how being a moderator

608
00:15:42,975 --> 00:15:45,745
works, so I'm taking the space.

609
00:15:45,745 --> 00:15:47,580
But I think that one of my

610
00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:48,981
challenges in thinking

611
00:15:48,981 --> 00:15:50,216
about all these wild ideas

612
00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:51,017
is that moment

613
00:15:51,017 --> 00:15:52,418
when it goes from the funny idea

614
00:15:52,418 --> 00:15:53,152
with friends

615
00:15:53,152 --> 00:15:54,420
to the serious production.

616
00:15:54,420 --> 00:15:55,621
I mean, that's when I crumble,

617
00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:56,789
personally.

618
00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:59,158
So, what was that transition

619
00:15:59,158 --> 00:16:00,493
like for each of your series?

620
00:16:00,493 --> 00:16:01,727
Because I'm sure everyone

621
00:16:01,727 --> 00:16:03,763
in this room has had 101

622
00:16:03,763 --> 00:16:05,431
kind of little blips, sparks,

623
00:16:05,431 --> 00:16:06,732
but what is it like

624
00:16:06,732 --> 00:16:07,500
when you actually

625
00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:08,868
have to sit down,

626
00:16:08,868 --> 00:16:11,304
write the spec script, you know,

627
00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:14,140
just start kind of spidering out

628
00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:16,909
with the idea?

629
00:16:16,909 --> 00:16:18,644
>> Me? Okay.

630
00:16:18,644 --> 00:16:19,545
>> We're in order.

631
00:16:19,545 --> 00:16:20,479
>> Going in order again.

632
00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:22,481
Yeah, sure.

633
00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:23,182
>> Yeah.

634
00:16:23,182 --> 00:16:23,950
>> Yeah, it was difficult.

635
00:16:23,950 --> 00:16:24,584
I'm kind of the same way,

636
00:16:24,584 --> 00:16:25,351
where I'm like,

637
00:16:25,351 --> 00:16:26,052
"Yeah, this is a great idea,"

638
00:16:26,052 --> 00:16:26,919
and then I'm like,

639
00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:27,787
"Wait. I don't feel like doing

640
00:16:27,787 --> 00:16:28,588
anything about it."

641
00:16:28,588 --> 00:16:29,222
>> Yeah.

642
00:16:29,222 --> 00:16:30,456
>> Yeah.

643
00:16:30,456 --> 00:16:31,791
>> So, I mean,

644
00:16:31,791 --> 00:16:33,359
thankfully, Amy and Lindsay

645
00:16:33,359 --> 00:16:36,295
were very collaborative.

646
00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:38,497
I mean, the writing process

647
00:16:38,497 --> 00:16:40,766
was very loose,

648
00:16:40,766 --> 00:16:42,101
but we were all really involved,

649
00:16:42,101 --> 00:16:43,803
which was great.

650
00:16:43,803 --> 00:16:45,171
Production was a little tough

651
00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:47,273
just because we --

652
00:16:47,273 --> 00:16:49,575
You know, we're very leery

653
00:16:49,575 --> 00:16:50,343
of asking people

654
00:16:50,343 --> 00:16:51,677
to do things for free,

655
00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:52,979
so then we just don't,

656
00:16:52,979 --> 00:16:55,081
and we end up doing everything

657
00:16:55,081 --> 00:16:57,350
on our own, and it's

658
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:59,619
terrible for a lot of it,

659
00:16:59,619 --> 00:17:02,121
but I think once

660
00:17:02,121 --> 00:17:04,257
we had the first one in,

661
00:17:04,257 --> 00:17:05,591
and we were looking at it

662
00:17:05,591 --> 00:17:06,592
and putting it together

663
00:17:06,592 --> 00:17:08,194
and then it was like, "Oh, wow."

664
00:17:08,194 --> 00:17:09,562
Like, "This is cool.

665
00:17:09,562 --> 00:17:10,863
I could do this again."

666
00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:11,998
And then you go through it all.

667
00:17:11,998 --> 00:17:13,332
I think it's like having a baby

668
00:17:13,332 --> 00:17:14,100
where

669
00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:14,867
you forget how much it hurts,

670
00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:15,601
and then you just have

671
00:17:15,601 --> 00:17:18,604
another one, because, yeah.

672
00:17:18,604 --> 00:17:19,572
>> It's an analogy we can

673
00:17:19,572 --> 00:17:20,172
all relate to.

674
00:17:20,172 --> 00:17:21,073
>> Have you had a baby

675
00:17:21,073 --> 00:17:22,008
that I don't know about?

676
00:17:22,008 --> 00:17:22,742
>> No, that's just

677
00:17:22,742 --> 00:17:23,409
what I've heard.

678
00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:24,310
That's what I've heard.

679
00:17:24,310 --> 00:17:24,744
>> Cool.

680
00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:25,978
>> No, but, yeah, there's

681
00:17:25,978 --> 00:17:27,413
definitely ups and downs,

682
00:17:27,413 --> 00:17:28,748
and I think that,

683
00:17:28,748 --> 00:17:29,548
at the end of the day,

684
00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:31,183
it helps to have the people

685
00:17:31,183 --> 00:17:32,351
around you who are just like,

686
00:17:32,351 --> 00:17:33,920
"No, no. It's worth it.

687
00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,988
It's worth it just to keep

688
00:17:35,988 --> 00:17:36,889
going a little bit."

689
00:17:36,889 --> 00:17:38,190
So...

690
00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:39,825
And then once it was out there,

691
00:17:39,825 --> 00:17:41,093
that was kind of the best part,

692
00:17:41,093 --> 00:17:41,861
just to see

693
00:17:41,861 --> 00:17:43,195
and then have people watch it,

694
00:17:43,195 --> 00:17:45,031
but, yeah,

695
00:17:45,031 --> 00:17:46,499
it's a struggle sometimes,

696
00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:47,733
I think, to find time.

697
00:17:47,733 --> 00:17:49,869
We all had jobs.

698
00:17:49,869 --> 00:17:51,704
You know, to say no to some jobs

699
00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:52,538
because this is really

700
00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:53,773
the only day you could do it,

701
00:17:53,773 --> 00:17:55,241
and, yeah,

702
00:17:55,241 --> 00:17:56,042
that's the kind of stuff

703
00:17:56,042 --> 00:17:57,443
that no one really likes to talk

704
00:17:57,443 --> 00:17:59,812
about or tell you about.

705
00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:01,347
But it makes it that much more

706
00:18:01,347 --> 00:18:03,282
satisfying in the end.

707
00:18:03,282 --> 00:18:05,885
>> Yeah. So, I also --

708
00:18:05,885 --> 00:18:06,919
I guess I produced a little bit

709
00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:07,620
in school,

710
00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:09,355
a little bit after school,

711
00:18:09,355 --> 00:18:10,256
so I was always,

712
00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:11,624
like, the realist

713
00:18:11,624 --> 00:18:13,893
in the collaboration.

714
00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:14,594
They'd send me a script,

715
00:18:14,594 --> 00:18:15,895
and I'd be like, "No."

716
00:18:15,895 --> 00:18:16,395
You know?

717
00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:17,096
Like, "No.

718
00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:17,964
This is too complicated."

719
00:18:17,964 --> 00:18:18,898
I'm like, "We only have 2 hours.

720
00:18:18,898 --> 00:18:20,266
How are we going to do this?"

721
00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:22,234
You know? And we --

722
00:18:22,234 --> 00:18:23,302
It was really great because

723
00:18:23,302 --> 00:18:24,604
we all kind of improvised,

724
00:18:24,604 --> 00:18:25,504
and I think that is

725
00:18:25,504 --> 00:18:27,540
really important in creating

726
00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:29,675
in general because production,

727
00:18:29,675 --> 00:18:30,676
as much as you can plan,

728
00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:32,478
it's never going to be

729
00:18:32,478 --> 00:18:33,879
exactly how you want it

730
00:18:33,879 --> 00:18:35,081
to be or envision it.

731
00:18:35,081 --> 00:18:36,182
Things always go wrong,

732
00:18:36,182 --> 00:18:37,016
but it's important

733
00:18:37,016 --> 00:18:38,384
to keep a positive attitude

734
00:18:38,384 --> 00:18:40,019
and to talk to each other

735
00:18:40,019 --> 00:18:41,654
about it and to workshop

736
00:18:41,654 --> 00:18:45,124
what can be done immediately,

737
00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,325
but I owned

738
00:18:46,325 --> 00:18:47,960
a camera at the time.

739
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,795
It was, like, a 5D Mark III,

740
00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:50,496
I think.

741
00:18:50,496 --> 00:18:51,964
So we always had a camera

742
00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:53,265
just available,

743
00:18:53,265 --> 00:18:53,933
and I was the DP,

744
00:18:53,933 --> 00:18:55,635
so that was easy.

745
00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:56,869
We had Final Cut

746
00:18:56,869 --> 00:18:57,670
on our computers,

747
00:18:57,670 --> 00:18:58,704
so that was easy.

748
00:18:58,704 --> 00:19:00,306
So, I mean, it's really amazing

749
00:19:00,306 --> 00:19:01,073
that we all just have

750
00:19:01,073 --> 00:19:02,174
these tools at our fingertips.

751
00:19:02,174 --> 00:19:03,609
I mean, you can shoot anything

752
00:19:03,609 --> 00:19:04,343
on anything.

753
00:19:04,343 --> 00:19:04,977
Like, it doesn't matter

754
00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:06,846
what you have as long

755
00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:08,080
as you're creating

756
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,883
and making stuff, so...

757
00:19:10,883 --> 00:19:11,450
>> Yeah.

758
00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:12,118
I definitely agree

759
00:19:12,118 --> 00:19:14,120
about improvising on set

760
00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:15,654
in terms of production.

761
00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:17,990
No matter how --

762
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:19,759
Even the most high-budget things

763
00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,761
I've worked on,

764
00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:23,829
everything goes wrong.

765
00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:24,630
Not even something,

766
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:25,464
everything goes wrong,

767
00:19:25,464 --> 00:19:26,232
and you spend

768
00:19:26,232 --> 00:19:27,566
2 hours getting a shot right,

769
00:19:27,566 --> 00:19:28,734
and then the sun moves,

770
00:19:28,734 --> 00:19:30,036
or some producer

771
00:19:30,036 --> 00:19:30,903
comes over and is like, "Oh,

772
00:19:30,903 --> 00:19:32,505
you can't shoot that direction.

773
00:19:32,505 --> 00:19:33,205
We're not allowed

774
00:19:33,205 --> 00:19:35,107
to shoot the golf course,"

775
00:19:35,107 --> 00:19:36,442
and that's everything,

776
00:19:36,442 --> 00:19:37,810
so you have to suddenly shift

777
00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:40,079
and redo all of that work.

778
00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:40,846
So, that being said,

779
00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:41,681
that also will happen

780
00:19:41,681 --> 00:19:43,516
in the small projects, as well,

781
00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:45,684
and sometimes in bigger ways.

782
00:19:45,684 --> 00:19:48,587
We found that to be one of

783
00:19:48,587 --> 00:19:49,488
the best parts

784
00:19:49,488 --> 00:19:50,489
was that our scripts

785
00:19:50,489 --> 00:19:51,957
were really ambitious,

786
00:19:51,957 --> 00:19:53,392
and we had really strange

787
00:19:53,392 --> 00:19:55,261
things, especially season 1,

788
00:19:55,261 --> 00:19:57,029
where we didn't have --

789
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:58,264
We hadn't done it before.

790
00:19:58,264 --> 00:19:58,964
I'd done some --

791
00:19:58,964 --> 00:20:00,533
I did a little bit of film

792
00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:01,434
work in school,

793
00:20:01,434 --> 00:20:05,538
but it was very amateur,

794
00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:07,239
and we had sort of worked in

795
00:20:07,239 --> 00:20:07,907
production,

796
00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:08,674
but it was, like, taking

797
00:20:08,674 --> 00:20:09,709
those skills and then learning

798
00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:10,576
while you do it

799
00:20:10,576 --> 00:20:11,510
and allowing yourself

800
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:13,546
to mess up.

801
00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:14,747
One thing that we had to do was

802
00:20:14,747 --> 00:20:16,916
start turning over more control.

803
00:20:16,916 --> 00:20:19,485
We had a props and costume

804
00:20:19,485 --> 00:20:20,619
designer, Ruby Hannan,

805
00:20:20,619 --> 00:20:22,955
and she's incredibly talented,

806
00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:23,923
and we'd be going

807
00:20:23,923 --> 00:20:24,924
through everything we needed,

808
00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:25,691
and we'd be like,

809
00:20:25,691 --> 00:20:26,892
"Okay, and we've got this

810
00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:28,060
fake spider costume.

811
00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,462
I can go home and, like, throw

812
00:20:29,462 --> 00:20:30,229
something together,"

813
00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,264
and she'd be like, "I --

814
00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:32,998
Well, I was

815
00:20:32,998 --> 00:20:34,233
really excited to do that."

816
00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,468
So all the times that we'd be

817
00:20:35,468 --> 00:20:36,202
taking things

818
00:20:36,202 --> 00:20:38,137
off of someone's plate,

819
00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:38,971
that's their job,

820
00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:40,005
and that's their passion,

821
00:20:40,005 --> 00:20:41,607
and so when you bring on people

822
00:20:41,607 --> 00:20:42,908
who are excited about

823
00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:46,011
their niche skill,

824
00:20:46,011 --> 00:20:47,613
then let them do it, I think,

825
00:20:47,613 --> 00:20:48,347
is a big thing

826
00:20:48,347 --> 00:20:49,415
because we were always like,

827
00:20:49,415 --> 00:20:50,249
"Oh, we don't want to burden it.

828
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:51,517
We don't want to make it

829
00:20:51,517 --> 00:20:52,585
too crazy for you,"

830
00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:54,420
and especially when

831
00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:55,654
you're at an entry-level thing,

832
00:20:55,654 --> 00:20:56,322
you have friends

833
00:20:56,322 --> 00:20:57,623
who are building a skill

834
00:20:57,623 --> 00:20:59,225
and don't have that outlet.

835
00:20:59,225 --> 00:21:00,626
So I'm sure everyone here

836
00:21:00,626 --> 00:21:01,560
has a friend who is like,

837
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,328
"Oh, I would love

838
00:21:02,328 --> 00:21:03,629
to be a production designer,"

839
00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,264
or "I would love to do makeup

840
00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:07,233
on one of these shoots,"

841
00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:08,801
and if you give them the shot,

842
00:21:08,801 --> 00:21:10,336
they'll do an amazing job,

843
00:21:10,336 --> 00:21:11,170
or they'll screw them up and

844
00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:11,904
you'll fire them in front of

845
00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:12,738
everybody,

846
00:21:12,738 --> 00:21:15,608
having a huge power trip.

847
00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:16,275
That's not true.

848
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,410
Don't do that.

849
00:21:18,410 --> 00:21:20,346
And, yeah, so just being able

850
00:21:20,346 --> 00:21:21,614
to roll with the punches.

851
00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:23,415
>> Cool.

852
00:21:23,415 --> 00:21:24,350
>> Yeah, I'd say

853
00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:25,951
a piece of advice

854
00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:27,153
that I try to tell myself

855
00:21:27,153 --> 00:21:27,953
all the time

856
00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:29,488
is work with your cheerleaders.

857
00:21:29,488 --> 00:21:31,457
Like, my producer, when I,

858
00:21:31,457 --> 00:21:32,291
like, mentioned,

859
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:33,092
while we were casually

860
00:21:33,092 --> 00:21:35,161
having tea, the idea that I had

861
00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,362
for the project was like,

862
00:21:36,362 --> 00:21:37,897
"Okay. How can I help?"

863
00:21:37,897 --> 00:21:38,697
You know?

864
00:21:38,697 --> 00:21:40,332
And it's just like, "Okay.

865
00:21:40,332 --> 00:21:41,767
Someone is interested in this

866
00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:42,568
and, you know,

867
00:21:42,568 --> 00:21:43,502
holding me accountable."

868
00:21:43,502 --> 00:21:44,470
You know, find those people

869
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:46,205
in your life who are like,

870
00:21:46,205 --> 00:21:46,972
"I like what you do.

871
00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:47,807
Do you like what I do?"

872
00:21:47,807 --> 00:21:49,441
And I, you know, my friend

873
00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:50,075
Addie Cahill,

874
00:21:50,075 --> 00:21:51,277
who is the producer

875
00:21:51,277 --> 00:21:52,144
of "Affordable NYC,"

876
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:53,879
we would go, you know,

877
00:21:53,879 --> 00:21:56,248
share one entrée

878
00:21:56,248 --> 00:21:58,584
and, like, sit for hours in,

879
00:21:58,584 --> 00:21:59,885
like, a restaurant

880
00:21:59,885 --> 00:22:01,153
and just, like, talk

881
00:22:01,153 --> 00:22:02,755
about our different projects

882
00:22:02,755 --> 00:22:03,589
and what we had to do.

883
00:22:03,589 --> 00:22:05,024
We would meet every week.

884
00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:05,825
Every week.

885
00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:06,792
We both knew our work schedule,

886
00:22:06,792 --> 00:22:08,227
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

887
00:22:08,227 --> 00:22:09,695
She moved to L.A., so I lost my

888
00:22:09,695 --> 00:22:10,696
accountability partner,

889
00:22:10,696 --> 00:22:11,597
and it's literally, like,

890
00:22:11,597 --> 00:22:12,831
trying to find that person is,

891
00:22:12,831 --> 00:22:14,333
like, part of why it's taken me

892
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:15,100
a long time to get

893
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,136
another season off the ground,

894
00:22:17,136 --> 00:22:20,039
but my DP was someone who had

895
00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:21,340
DP'd a shoot

896
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:22,775
I'd been on and was like,

897
00:22:22,775 --> 00:22:24,376
"I like you. You're funny.

898
00:22:24,376 --> 00:22:25,177
Let me help you.

899
00:22:25,177 --> 00:22:26,612
Are you going to shoot something

900
00:22:26,612 --> 00:22:27,012
soon?

901
00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:28,080
Do you have ideas?

902
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,415
Let me help you make it,"

903
00:22:29,415 --> 00:22:30,449
and then they helped me make it.

904
00:22:30,449 --> 00:22:31,150
I wouldn't have been able

905
00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:31,917
to have something

906
00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:33,085
that looked as good as it did

907
00:22:33,085 --> 00:22:34,653
if I didn't have someone who was

908
00:22:34,653 --> 00:22:35,855
a cheerleader for me,

909
00:22:35,855 --> 00:22:36,889
and I think, like, sometimes

910
00:22:36,889 --> 00:22:38,791
we think we maybe aren't that

911
00:22:38,791 --> 00:22:40,159
talented person in the room,

912
00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:41,360
and it's, like, that's just,

913
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,728
like, the negative noise,

914
00:22:42,728 --> 00:22:43,662
and, like, if you can filter

915
00:22:43,662 --> 00:22:44,330
that out

916
00:22:44,330 --> 00:22:44,964
and listen to the people

917
00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:46,198
who are really, like,

918
00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:47,533
giving you positive energy

919
00:22:47,533 --> 00:22:48,367
and even if

920
00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:49,535
they don't have the skill set

921
00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:51,036
that is necessary for this,

922
00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:51,971
like, like you're saying,

923
00:22:51,971 --> 00:22:52,738
there are people

924
00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:54,406
who can rise to the occasion.

925
00:22:54,406 --> 00:22:55,608
My friend hadn't really produced

926
00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:56,308
things before,

927
00:22:56,308 --> 00:22:57,476
but we made it happen.

928
00:22:57,476 --> 00:22:59,078
You know what I mean?

929
00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:00,179
The other thing I wanted to say

930
00:23:00,179 --> 00:23:02,314
was, like, use your big favors.

931
00:23:02,314 --> 00:23:04,516
Like, ask people who...

932
00:23:04,516 --> 00:23:05,751
Your friend of a friend knows,

933
00:23:05,751 --> 00:23:07,019
you know, Miley Cyrus, get her

934
00:23:07,019 --> 00:23:07,953
on the project.

935
00:23:07,953 --> 00:23:08,887
You know what I mean?

936
00:23:08,887 --> 00:23:09,755
Just call in.

937
00:23:09,755 --> 00:23:10,556
Send the e-mail.

938
00:23:10,556 --> 00:23:11,724
Be the annoying person.

939
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,158
I mean, we're all annoying

940
00:23:13,158 --> 00:23:14,093
to someone, you know?

941
00:23:14,093 --> 00:23:16,662
So why not be the annoying

942
00:23:16,662 --> 00:23:17,429
person

943
00:23:17,429 --> 00:23:18,530
in your e-mail communication?

944
00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:20,266
It gets things done.

945
00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:22,234
So, like, use those favors.

946
00:23:22,234 --> 00:23:23,535
I mean, that's how I --

947
00:23:23,535 --> 00:23:24,403
Literally,

948
00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:25,437
if I didn't ask for huge favors

949
00:23:25,437 --> 00:23:26,872
from every single person,

950
00:23:26,872 --> 00:23:28,707
it wouldn't have happened,

951
00:23:28,707 --> 00:23:29,608
but then, also,

952
00:23:29,608 --> 00:23:31,944
like, create realistically.

953
00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:33,746
Like, my DP was like, "Okay.

954
00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:34,546
Well, what are you thinking?"

955
00:23:34,546 --> 00:23:35,347
Like, "What are the general

956
00:23:35,347 --> 00:23:36,782
concepts of the episodes?"

957
00:23:36,782 --> 00:23:38,083
And I had all these highfalutin

958
00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:39,318
ideas, and they were like,

959
00:23:39,318 --> 00:23:40,152
"Well, you know, we can shoot

960
00:23:40,152 --> 00:23:41,787
for free on the street.

961
00:23:41,787 --> 00:23:43,088
Why don't you take everything

962
00:23:43,088 --> 00:23:44,456
and put it on the street?"

963
00:23:44,456 --> 00:23:45,791
And I was like, "Mm."

964
00:23:45,791 --> 00:23:47,559
And then I was like, "Duh."

965
00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:48,927
Like, "Do you have the money

966
00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:50,129
to pay anyone anything?"

967
00:23:50,129 --> 00:23:50,796
No.

968
00:23:50,796 --> 00:23:51,664
I worked, like, doubles

969
00:23:51,664 --> 00:23:53,399
and triples and quadruples and,

970
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:55,634
like, saved up to fund my stuff.

971
00:23:55,634 --> 00:23:57,436
So, like, from that perspective,

972
00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,672
it's, like, no, you write

973
00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:01,140
for the people you know who are

974
00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:02,441
going to come help you out

975
00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:03,575
who are talented.

976
00:24:03,575 --> 00:24:05,444
You write for the situations

977
00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:06,178
you have.

978
00:24:06,178 --> 00:24:07,146
You write for the camera.

979
00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:08,547
Like, just be

980
00:24:08,547 --> 00:24:09,682
realistic, you know?

981
00:24:09,682 --> 00:24:10,582
>> That is a great segue

982
00:24:10,582 --> 00:24:11,984
into talking about money

983
00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,320
and use of a team

984
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,522
because I think, you know,

985
00:24:16,522 --> 00:24:18,090
especially when you're getting

986
00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:19,258
out of college or when you're

987
00:24:19,258 --> 00:24:20,592
post-graduate and learning

988
00:24:20,592 --> 00:24:21,794
how to work with the friends

989
00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:23,295
that you do improv with,

990
00:24:23,295 --> 00:24:24,563
that you went to college with,

991
00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:26,565
there is that really nuanced --

992
00:24:26,565 --> 00:24:27,900
What's the difference between a

993
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:29,335
friend that you collaborate with

994
00:24:29,335 --> 00:24:30,135
and someone

995
00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:31,437
that you pay for their services?

996
00:24:31,437 --> 00:24:34,907
And so in that very

997
00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:36,809
fragile space,

998
00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:38,444
how do you navigate knowing

999
00:24:38,444 --> 00:24:39,678
what is fair compensation

1000
00:24:39,678 --> 00:24:40,679
for someone?

1001
00:24:40,679 --> 00:24:41,714
What's fair to ask of someone

1002
00:24:41,714 --> 00:24:42,481
else's time

1003
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:43,282
when it's not their baby,

1004
00:24:43,282 --> 00:24:45,751
it's your baby, you know, and

1005
00:24:45,751 --> 00:24:48,320
figuring out what is respectful,

1006
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,458
fair, and also, off that,

1007
00:24:52,458 --> 00:24:53,892
how do you know that --

1008
00:24:53,892 --> 00:24:55,928
How can you kind of feel

1009
00:24:55,928 --> 00:24:57,863
confident enough in your vision

1010
00:24:57,863 --> 00:24:59,331
to take someone else's time

1011
00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:01,367
to keep working on your project

1012
00:25:01,367 --> 00:25:02,201
when they say, "Hey, I'm working

1013
00:25:02,201 --> 00:25:02,935
on something else right now.

1014
00:25:02,935 --> 00:25:03,535
It's going to take me

1015
00:25:03,535 --> 00:25:04,002
an extra month."

1016
00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:05,237
You know, how do you deal

1017
00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:05,771
with that?

1018
00:25:05,771 --> 00:25:06,205
Yeah.

1019
00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:09,007
>> Right.

1020
00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:11,310
>> I think that there are lots

1021
00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:12,578
of ways to compensate

1022
00:25:12,578 --> 00:25:14,179
people for their time.

1023
00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:18,217
If you can't pay them, you know,

1024
00:25:18,217 --> 00:25:19,918
we're all working at some point.

1025
00:25:19,918 --> 00:25:21,186
So it's like, "Yeah, maybe

1026
00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:22,254
I can't pay you for this,

1027
00:25:22,254 --> 00:25:23,989
but I've got

1028
00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:24,923
this thing coming up,

1029
00:25:24,923 --> 00:25:26,158
and it does have money,

1030
00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:26,925
and I will recommend you.

1031
00:25:26,925 --> 00:25:28,927
I'll bring you on," you know?

1032
00:25:28,927 --> 00:25:30,462
There's also -- I mean, I think

1033
00:25:30,462 --> 00:25:32,097
we were basically like,

1034
00:25:32,097 --> 00:25:33,999
"The minimum we can do

1035
00:25:33,999 --> 00:25:35,300
is have hot coffee

1036
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:36,935
in the morning,

1037
00:25:36,935 --> 00:25:38,737
have a really good lunch,

1038
00:25:38,737 --> 00:25:39,738
and we promise,

1039
00:25:39,738 --> 00:25:41,340
like, a good time," you know?

1040
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:43,642
And I think that everybody

1041
00:25:43,642 --> 00:25:45,744
has at least that to offer

1042
00:25:45,744 --> 00:25:47,045
and to bring to the table,

1043
00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:49,114
and, yeah, I mean,

1044
00:25:49,114 --> 00:25:50,582
I remember we had to do

1045
00:25:50,582 --> 00:25:52,317
sort of a --

1046
00:25:52,317 --> 00:25:53,185
With Amy and Lindsay,

1047
00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:55,521
with "The Better Half" girls,

1048
00:25:55,521 --> 00:25:57,055
we were briefly on Pivot,

1049
00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:57,990
and we had to do

1050
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:59,591
some promos for that.

1051
00:25:59,591 --> 00:26:00,325
>> Yep.

1052
00:26:00,325 --> 00:26:01,693
>> And they actually gave us

1053
00:26:01,693 --> 00:26:03,095
money to do them, so we were

1054
00:26:03,095 --> 00:26:04,129
like, "Well, this is fun."

1055
00:26:04,129 --> 00:26:05,531
And so we brought on our

1056
00:26:05,531 --> 00:26:06,899
sound guy,

1057
00:26:06,899 --> 00:26:08,033
Boris, who I think did, like,

1058
00:26:08,033 --> 00:26:09,401
the last episode, maybe, or --

1059
00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:10,536
anyway.

1060
00:26:10,536 --> 00:26:11,370
And we were like, "We can

1061
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:12,638
actually pay you for this,

1062
00:26:12,638 --> 00:26:14,506
so would you want to come

1063
00:26:14,506 --> 00:26:15,207
and do it?"

1064
00:26:15,207 --> 00:26:16,642
And he was happy to do it.

1065
00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:17,910
So I think it's just maybe,

1066
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:21,847
like, getting people to say,

1067
00:26:21,847 --> 00:26:23,015
it doesn't happen today,

1068
00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:24,049
it'll happen at the some point

1069
00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:25,417
because I won't forget

1070
00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:26,652
the help that you gave me,

1071
00:26:26,652 --> 00:26:28,120
and I think

1072
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,588
that that's really important.

1073
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:30,289
>> Mm-hmm.

1074
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:32,057
>> Yeah.

1075
00:26:32,057 --> 00:26:34,259
For this, we self-funded,

1076
00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:35,794
and I think --

1077
00:26:35,794 --> 00:26:36,562
You know, we probably

1078
00:26:36,562 --> 00:26:38,897
spent $2,000?

1079
00:26:38,897 --> 00:26:39,998
Which really is nothing because

1080
00:26:39,998 --> 00:26:42,000
we shot over, like, 2 months,

1081
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,701
and luckily

1082
00:26:42,701 --> 00:26:43,635
the girls were bartenders,

1083
00:26:43,635 --> 00:26:46,305
so it was very --

1084
00:26:46,305 --> 00:26:47,606
It was very easy

1085
00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:49,174
to just be like, "Oh, hey.

1086
00:26:49,174 --> 00:26:50,042
You're in at, like, 6:00

1087
00:26:50,042 --> 00:26:50,442
tonight?

1088
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,110
Want to shoot a quick scene?"

1089
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:53,078
So we'll shoot for, like, an

1090
00:26:53,078 --> 00:26:53,912
hour, and we had all the

1091
00:26:53,912 --> 00:26:54,880
resources, so that was easy,

1092
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,082
but as a freelance DP,

1093
00:26:57,082 --> 00:26:58,517
a lot of people ask me,

1094
00:26:58,517 --> 00:26:59,284
"Hey, do you want to work

1095
00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:00,118
on this?"

1096
00:27:00,118 --> 00:27:01,753
And for me,

1097
00:27:01,753 --> 00:27:04,022
I get paid for my professional

1098
00:27:04,022 --> 00:27:06,725
work a lot, and I love

1099
00:27:06,725 --> 00:27:08,160
to take time to work on things

1100
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,729
that are meaningful and are good

1101
00:27:10,729 --> 00:27:12,297
and I know can be good.

1102
00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:13,832
So you should never

1103
00:27:13,832 --> 00:27:15,100
be afraid to ask someone

1104
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:17,002
who is a working professional

1105
00:27:17,002 --> 00:27:18,971
who gets paid to work on stuff.

1106
00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:20,005
It's always their choice to say

1107
00:27:20,005 --> 00:27:22,541
no, but you should never be

1108
00:27:22,541 --> 00:27:24,176
afraid to ask, and, for me,

1109
00:27:24,176 --> 00:27:26,578
when I bring my crew on, I make

1110
00:27:26,578 --> 00:27:27,779
sure they get compensated.

1111
00:27:27,779 --> 00:27:28,814
I make sure they get treated

1112
00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:29,348
well.

1113
00:27:29,348 --> 00:27:30,249
I make sure --

1114
00:27:30,249 --> 00:27:31,817
Like, I take care of my crew,

1115
00:27:31,817 --> 00:27:32,885
but then I also know, if they're

1116
00:27:32,885 --> 00:27:34,386
working for less today,

1117
00:27:34,386 --> 00:27:35,387
I'm going to hire them for my

1118
00:27:35,387 --> 00:27:37,222
next three jobs that pay more.

1119
00:27:37,222 --> 00:27:38,757
So there's always a balance that

1120
00:27:38,757 --> 00:27:40,559
can happen and a lot of favors

1121
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:41,226
that you can call in,

1122
00:27:41,226 --> 00:27:42,528
but I'm always there

1123
00:27:42,528 --> 00:27:43,962
to help someone, and

1124
00:27:43,962 --> 00:27:44,763
they're always there to help me.

1125
00:27:44,763 --> 00:27:46,565
So it's more of a community

1126
00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:48,400
and less of, like, a really,

1127
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,902
like, payment thing, too,

1128
00:27:49,902 --> 00:27:50,602
you know?

1129
00:27:50,602 --> 00:27:51,737
There's more to it than just the

1130
00:27:51,737 --> 00:27:52,905
money, I would say.

1131
00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:55,541
>> Yeah. The New York film scene

1132
00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:57,075
is small, and you get to know a

1133
00:27:57,075 --> 00:27:58,477
lot of people, and you get to

1134
00:27:58,477 --> 00:27:59,645
meet a lot of people.

1135
00:27:59,645 --> 00:28:01,013
And you'll be recommended

1136
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,181
for stuff and vice versa,

1137
00:28:03,181 --> 00:28:05,083
and that's huge.

1138
00:28:05,083 --> 00:28:06,818
Yeah, and I think "don't be

1139
00:28:06,818 --> 00:28:08,587
afraid to ask" is great advice.

1140
00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:09,588
I think, also, try and be as

1141
00:28:09,588 --> 00:28:10,989
upfront as possible.

1142
00:28:10,989 --> 00:28:12,257
If you have no money,

1143
00:28:12,257 --> 00:28:13,892
don't get 2 weeks

1144
00:28:13,892 --> 00:28:15,360
into planning and then be like,

1145
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,462
"Oh, also, this is unpaid."

1146
00:28:17,462 --> 00:28:18,964
Let them know and see if they'll

1147
00:28:18,964 --> 00:28:20,566
be into that, or if you're like,

1148
00:28:20,566 --> 00:28:22,100
"Hey, we can only pay you $250,"

1149
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:23,502
or ask them what they're

1150
00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:24,603
comfortable doing and see

1151
00:28:24,603 --> 00:28:25,871
if you can make that work

1152
00:28:25,871 --> 00:28:27,673
because maybe the producer

1153
00:28:27,673 --> 00:28:28,907
does it for free

1154
00:28:28,907 --> 00:28:30,309
but the DP,

1155
00:28:30,309 --> 00:28:33,078
you spend $500 to get the DP

1156
00:28:33,078 --> 00:28:34,680
for the full weekend

1157
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,181
or something.

1158
00:28:36,181 --> 00:28:40,419
My biggest thing is,

1159
00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:42,387
respect their time.

1160
00:28:42,387 --> 00:28:43,221
You're not going to be able

1161
00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:44,590
to pay them what they're worth,

1162
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,458
most likely, for a while when

1163
00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:47,259
you're doing it at this level.

1164
00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:49,027
Respect their time, and I think

1165
00:28:49,027 --> 00:28:52,397
that goes for actors and crew.

1166
00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:53,865
I've been on a lot of other

1167
00:28:53,865 --> 00:28:55,167
shoots where you show up

1168
00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:56,134
and you're either an actor,

1169
00:28:56,134 --> 00:28:57,703
you're part of the --

1170
00:28:57,703 --> 00:28:58,337
you know, you're holding

1171
00:28:58,337 --> 00:28:59,438
the boom for a friend

1172
00:28:59,438 --> 00:29:00,839
when you don't do sound,

1173
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:02,441
and you show up,

1174
00:29:02,441 --> 00:29:03,575
and they ask you

1175
00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:04,810
to get there at 7:00 a.m.,

1176
00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:05,477
and the first shot

1177
00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:06,778
isn't until noon,

1178
00:29:06,778 --> 00:29:08,614
and that sucks, and it --

1179
00:29:08,614 --> 00:29:10,549
and when you run the set,

1180
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:11,717
it gets crazy, and you have to

1181
00:29:11,717 --> 00:29:12,918
ask favors and tell people that

1182
00:29:12,918 --> 00:29:13,986
they're going to be staying

1183
00:29:13,986 --> 00:29:16,655
late, but put that extra time

1184
00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:18,490
into your preproduction,

1185
00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:19,524
plan out

1186
00:29:19,524 --> 00:29:20,859
what it's going to look like,

1187
00:29:20,859 --> 00:29:21,660
and know,

1188
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:22,961
"Okay, we need to be there at

1189
00:29:22,961 --> 00:29:23,362
7:00.

1190
00:29:23,362 --> 00:29:24,563
Our actors don't need to show up

1191
00:29:24,563 --> 00:29:26,131
until 11:00,"

1192
00:29:26,131 --> 00:29:27,633
and then always have

1193
00:29:27,633 --> 00:29:28,900
a little bit of food for people

1194
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,636
to munch on even if it's just,

1195
00:29:30,636 --> 00:29:32,270
yeah, coffee and pizza.

1196
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:32,938
It makes a world of a

1197
00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:33,905
difference, because when you get

1198
00:29:33,905 --> 00:29:36,875
hungry, you get grumpy.

1199
00:29:36,875 --> 00:29:38,977
>> I feel the same way

1200
00:29:38,977 --> 00:29:40,579
that all of you feel,

1201
00:29:40,579 --> 00:29:41,747
and I think the truth

1202
00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:43,048
of the matter is, like,

1203
00:29:43,048 --> 00:29:44,883
a little bit goes a long way.

1204
00:29:44,883 --> 00:29:46,885
I've asked a lot of really great

1205
00:29:46,885 --> 00:29:48,587
people who are making a lot of

1206
00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:49,821
money doing other things to show

1207
00:29:49,821 --> 00:29:52,457
up and given them, like,

1208
00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:54,026
a pitiful, like --

1209
00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:55,827
One time I Venmo'd someone $5

1210
00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:57,663
for showing up, and, you know,

1211
00:29:57,663 --> 00:29:58,530
like,

1212
00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:00,165
that was what I had that day.

1213
00:30:00,165 --> 00:30:01,199
You know what I mean?

1214
00:30:01,199 --> 00:30:02,934
And they understood,

1215
00:30:02,934 --> 00:30:03,902
and, literally,

1216
00:30:03,902 --> 00:30:05,037
if you ask someone

1217
00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:06,838
to show up and do a good job,

1218
00:30:06,838 --> 00:30:08,507
I think the least you can do

1219
00:30:08,507 --> 00:30:11,843
is clearly communicate to them

1220
00:30:11,843 --> 00:30:13,211
what you're offering in return.

1221
00:30:13,211 --> 00:30:14,579
You know what I mean?

1222
00:30:14,579 --> 00:30:15,480
And even if it's like,

1223
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,515
"I'm going to work with you

1224
00:30:16,515 --> 00:30:17,182
in the future,"

1225
00:30:17,182 --> 00:30:18,216
like, saying that upfront.

1226
00:30:18,216 --> 00:30:20,018
If you give them something,

1227
00:30:20,018 --> 00:30:21,053
you're going to get a lot

1228
00:30:21,053 --> 00:30:22,621
back in return.

1229
00:30:22,621 --> 00:30:24,923
So I've just never not paid

1230
00:30:24,923 --> 00:30:25,824
someone something,

1231
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,560
but I also have no money.

1232
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,461
My series is called

1233
00:30:29,461 --> 00:30:30,762
"Affordable NYC"

1234
00:30:30,762 --> 00:30:32,330
because I'm constantly trying

1235
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:33,598
to pay for things,

1236
00:30:33,598 --> 00:30:35,300
and so I think there's, like,

1237
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,969
a big reality of it

1238
00:30:37,969 --> 00:30:39,771
not being easy to do,

1239
00:30:39,771 --> 00:30:41,940
and I think that is the biggest

1240
00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:43,709
fear a lot of people have,

1241
00:30:43,709 --> 00:30:44,843
and I will tell you

1242
00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:46,378
that it took me a year

1243
00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:47,412
to save up enough money

1244
00:30:47,412 --> 00:30:48,780
to make my first project.

1245
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:49,581
Do you know what I mean?

1246
00:30:49,581 --> 00:30:51,516
And, like, if you're broke,

1247
00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:52,484
no joke, it doesn't matter.

1248
00:30:52,484 --> 00:30:53,385
[ Music playing faintly ]

1249
00:30:53,385 --> 00:30:54,853
Like, don't worry about that.

1250
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:55,954
Like, just do it.

1251
00:30:55,954 --> 00:30:57,656
Just, honestly, like, get a

1252
00:30:57,656 --> 00:30:58,990
penny jar and, like,

1253
00:30:58,990 --> 00:30:59,891
put it away.

1254
00:30:59,891 --> 00:31:01,626
Don't let money be the thing

1255
00:31:01,626 --> 00:31:02,260
that stops you.

1256
00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:04,463
Use your crappy phone,

1257
00:31:04,463 --> 00:31:05,931
whatever you have, your phone,

1258
00:31:05,931 --> 00:31:08,467
whatever you have, and just,

1259
00:31:08,467 --> 00:31:09,801
like, take that little video,

1260
00:31:09,801 --> 00:31:10,435
you know?

1261
00:31:10,435 --> 00:31:11,470
Like, make it grungy.

1262
00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:12,704
Use what you have, and use it

1263
00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:13,305
to your advantage.

1264
00:31:13,305 --> 00:31:14,072
>> That was so great

1265
00:31:14,072 --> 00:31:15,340
that the music just kind of

1266
00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:16,441
jazzed us out with that bit

1267
00:31:16,441 --> 00:31:16,942
of advice.

1268
00:31:16,942 --> 00:31:18,376
>> Yeah. It's in my contract

1269
00:31:18,376 --> 00:31:20,045
that there must be music,

1270
00:31:20,045 --> 00:31:21,880
a soundtrack to everything I do.

1271
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,614
>> Audience plant.

1272
00:31:22,614 --> 00:31:23,782
That's what I thought.

1273
00:31:23,782 --> 00:31:24,649
So we are about to get to

1274
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:25,383
audience

1275
00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:26,251
questions, but before we do,

1276
00:31:26,251 --> 00:31:27,319
I just want to ask two quick,

1277
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,021
like, one-liner questions.

1278
00:31:30,021 --> 00:31:30,756
One is, if someone in this

1279
00:31:30,756 --> 00:31:33,158
audience, like, wrote you an

1280
00:31:33,158 --> 00:31:35,160
e-mail after this and said,

1281
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,695
"Hi, I loved it.

1282
00:31:36,695 --> 00:31:38,196
I want to make a web series.

1283
00:31:38,196 --> 00:31:38,997
What's the first thing?

1284
00:31:38,997 --> 00:31:41,099
Like, how do I start?,"

1285
00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:41,900
how would your response

1286
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:43,401
to them start?

1287
00:31:43,401 --> 00:31:44,636
>> I'll go first since I'm stuck

1288
00:31:44,636 --> 00:31:46,571
in the middle.

1289
00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:49,141
It would be,

1290
00:31:49,141 --> 00:31:50,642
start with a script.

1291
00:31:50,642 --> 00:31:51,743
It always comes down to that,

1292
00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:53,178
and you can have your big idea,

1293
00:31:53,178 --> 00:31:54,379
but, at the end of the day,

1294
00:31:54,379 --> 00:31:55,847
you need to have

1295
00:31:55,847 --> 00:31:56,748
something written

1296
00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:58,183
that you're excited about,

1297
00:31:58,183 --> 00:32:00,252
and the more you put into that,

1298
00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:02,120
in my experience, it's the

1299
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,855
foundation of everything, and

1300
00:32:03,855 --> 00:32:05,056
it's easier to send that to a

1301
00:32:05,056 --> 00:32:06,391
director, send that to a

1302
00:32:06,391 --> 00:32:08,059
producer, send it to a film

1303
00:32:08,059 --> 00:32:09,661
festival, get it on

1304
00:32:09,661 --> 00:32:12,063
"The Blacklist" or whatever --

1305
00:32:12,063 --> 00:32:14,566
the TV show with James Spader.

1306
00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:15,867
If you have a script

1307
00:32:15,867 --> 00:32:17,169
that gets people excited,

1308
00:32:17,169 --> 00:32:18,270
you can build from that,

1309
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:19,271
and then you can get creative

1310
00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:19,938
and say, "Okay.

1311
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:21,373
Maybe we can do this all

1312
00:32:21,373 --> 00:32:22,941
as one take, one camera

1313
00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:23,675
direction,

1314
00:32:23,675 --> 00:32:24,743
and be super weird with it."

1315
00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:28,914
But if the script's not there,

1316
00:32:28,914 --> 00:32:30,081
nothing else will get made

1317
00:32:30,081 --> 00:32:31,616
because that's the real thing,

1318
00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:32,918
and if you've written a script,

1319
00:32:32,918 --> 00:32:33,852
you're going to be passionate

1320
00:32:33,852 --> 00:32:34,553
about it

1321
00:32:34,553 --> 00:32:36,121
because it hurts to write.

1322
00:32:36,121 --> 00:32:37,055
>> [ Laughs ]

1323
00:32:37,055 --> 00:32:37,622
>> Oh, God.

1324
00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:38,089
>> Okay.

1325
00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:39,224
>> Good e-mail. I love it.

1326
00:32:39,224 --> 00:32:40,292
>> That was a really good

1327
00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:40,725
e-mail.

1328
00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:41,827
>> That was a good e-mail.

1329
00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:43,128
Yeah. I mean, I would definitely

1330
00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:44,629
say story, same thing.

1331
00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:46,965
I mean, you know, go into it

1332
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,400
knowing what you want to do

1333
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,502
and have a loose idea

1334
00:32:50,502 --> 00:32:51,303
of how you're going to do it.

1335
00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:53,104
It might not work out that way,

1336
00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:55,841
but at least you have a vision

1337
00:32:55,841 --> 00:32:56,741
that you can communicate

1338
00:32:56,741 --> 00:32:57,642
to people directly.

1339
00:32:57,642 --> 00:32:58,109
>> Mm-hmm.

1340
00:32:58,109 --> 00:32:58,910
>> So, yeah.

1341
00:32:58,910 --> 00:32:59,811
>> Yeah.

1342
00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:00,445
>> Yeah.

1343
00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:01,246
I mean, along with the

1344
00:33:01,246 --> 00:33:02,047
script idea, I would say, like,

1345
00:33:02,047 --> 00:33:04,049
be sure a lot of people read it.

1346
00:33:04,049 --> 00:33:06,551
Get any feedback, good or bad.

1347
00:33:06,551 --> 00:33:08,053
Actually, bad feedback is better

1348
00:33:08,053 --> 00:33:08,854
because then you make it

1349
00:33:08,854 --> 00:33:09,754
better, you know,

1350
00:33:09,754 --> 00:33:11,122
and then resend it to them

1351
00:33:11,122 --> 00:33:12,791
once you've done a new draft

1352
00:33:12,791 --> 00:33:13,992
because then you're workshopping

1353
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:15,293
it together,

1354
00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:16,061
and then, ultimately,

1355
00:33:16,061 --> 00:33:17,095
you get to a better spot

1356
00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:18,263
with your story, I think.

1357
00:33:18,263 --> 00:33:19,831
>> Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

1358
00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:20,599
>> Yeah.

1359
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:21,700
And to that end, like, I think

1360
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:22,467
one of the things

1361
00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:23,401
that's the hardest for me

1362
00:33:23,401 --> 00:33:25,203
is to show up and write.

1363
00:33:25,203 --> 00:33:26,605
And I think that's a struggle

1364
00:33:26,605 --> 00:33:28,306
lots of people have,

1365
00:33:28,306 --> 00:33:29,474
and I did --

1366
00:33:29,474 --> 00:33:30,542
I am in lots of debt

1367
00:33:30,542 --> 00:33:32,677
from art school, so I have done

1368
00:33:32,677 --> 00:33:33,745
"The Artist's Way."

1369
00:33:33,745 --> 00:33:35,380
I don't know if you know this

1370
00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:37,182
book, but two of the main tenets

1371
00:33:37,182 --> 00:33:39,584
are to write, you know,

1372
00:33:39,584 --> 00:33:40,852
journal three pages every day

1373
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:41,887
first thing when you wake up,

1374
00:33:41,887 --> 00:33:42,554
the morning pages,

1375
00:33:42,554 --> 00:33:43,455
and the second tenet

1376
00:33:43,455 --> 00:33:44,322
is taking yourself

1377
00:33:44,322 --> 00:33:46,091
on an artist date once a week,

1378
00:33:46,091 --> 00:33:47,559
and I swear by these two things.

1379
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:49,060
I haven't finished the book

1380
00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:50,262
because I don't complete

1381
00:33:50,262 --> 00:33:51,863
everything I start.

1382
00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:52,998
[ Laughter ]

1383
00:33:52,998 --> 00:33:55,233
But, literally, I can also,

1384
00:33:55,233 --> 00:33:56,501
like, go back to these pages,

1385
00:33:56,501 --> 00:33:57,502
which is literally just

1386
00:33:57,502 --> 00:33:58,770
stream-of-consciousness stuff,

1387
00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:01,139
and it's like, "No. I do write.

1388
00:34:01,139 --> 00:34:02,173
Like, I write every day,"

1389
00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:03,541
and I tell myself, like,

1390
00:34:03,541 --> 00:34:04,809
"I can't call myself a writer

1391
00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:05,744
because I don't have..."

1392
00:34:05,744 --> 00:34:06,978
you know, blah, blah

1393
00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:07,812
or whatever.

1394
00:34:07,812 --> 00:34:09,314
But, seriously, like,

1395
00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:10,615
just start writing

1396
00:34:10,615 --> 00:34:11,950
every day, every day.

1397
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:12,484
>> Mm-hmm.

1398
00:34:12,484 --> 00:34:13,418
>> Just wake up.

1399
00:34:13,418 --> 00:34:14,219
Write.

1400
00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:15,987
If it's two words on a piece

1401
00:34:15,987 --> 00:34:16,621
of paper,

1402
00:34:16,621 --> 00:34:18,290
that is A-okay by me,

1403
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:20,225
and it just fosters that idea

1404
00:34:20,225 --> 00:34:21,593
that you are creating something.

1405
00:34:21,593 --> 00:34:23,261
You are capable of doing it,

1406
00:34:23,261 --> 00:34:24,029
and the second

1407
00:34:24,029 --> 00:34:25,263
that you are doing that, like,

1408
00:34:25,263 --> 00:34:26,665
you can make a whole thing.

1409
00:34:26,665 --> 00:34:28,066
>> Yeah. Okay.

1410
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:29,501
Very last question, then we'll

1411
00:34:29,501 --> 00:34:30,602
get to other people's questions.

1412
00:34:30,602 --> 00:34:31,803
Wow.

1413
00:34:31,803 --> 00:34:32,604
Okay.

1414
00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:33,605
So if you had to write a memoir,

1415
00:34:33,605 --> 00:34:34,306
you're, like, a

1416
00:34:34,306 --> 00:34:35,540
super-experienced web-series

1417
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:37,242
maker, what would it be called?

1418
00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:38,276
>> Oh.

1419
00:34:38,276 --> 00:34:40,045
>> Just name your book.

1420
00:34:40,045 --> 00:34:40,879
Name your memoir

1421
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:42,981
about the making of web series.

1422
00:34:42,981 --> 00:34:44,916
>> Oh, that's hard.

1423
00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:45,917
I'm not a writer.

1424
00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:47,552
I work with writers, you know?

1425
00:34:47,552 --> 00:34:49,120
>> All you need is two words,

1426
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,221
like Steven said.

1427
00:34:50,221 --> 00:34:51,856
>> I'd say, "Wish It Had Been

1428
00:34:51,856 --> 00:34:52,757
on TV."

1429
00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:56,594
[ Laughter ]

1430
00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,663
>> [ Laughs ]

1431
00:34:58,663 --> 00:35:01,499
[ Laughter ]

1432
00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:03,468
>> That was a good one.

1433
00:35:03,468 --> 00:35:04,603
>> Or "Like and Subscribe."

1434
00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:06,504
>> That's even better.

1435
00:35:06,504 --> 00:35:08,206
>> "Like and Subscribe,"

1436
00:35:08,206 --> 00:35:10,275
that's a good one.

1437
00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:12,844
>> "Content with My Content."

1438
00:35:12,844 --> 00:35:13,511
>> Beautiful.

1439
00:35:13,511 --> 00:35:14,412
[ Microphone thuds ]

1440
00:35:14,412 --> 00:35:15,680
I'm so sorry.

1441
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,881
[ Laughter ]

1442
00:35:16,881 --> 00:35:17,716
>> We were warned about that.

1443
00:35:17,716 --> 00:35:18,516
>> That was the one thing

1444
00:35:18,516 --> 00:35:19,417
we were told explicitly

1445
00:35:19,417 --> 00:35:20,986
not to do, but you made a pun,

1446
00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:21,686
and you know that speaks

1447
00:35:21,686 --> 00:35:22,454
to my heart,

1448
00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:26,124
so that's why it happened.

1449
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,092
>> I think just for practical

1450
00:35:27,092 --> 00:35:28,093
reasons, I would be like,

1451
00:35:28,093 --> 00:35:29,861
"This Will Live Forever"

1452
00:35:29,861 --> 00:35:31,496
because it's on the web.

1453
00:35:31,496 --> 00:35:32,931
>> Oh, I love those.

1454
00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:33,598
>> We already have one.

1455
00:35:33,598 --> 00:35:34,332
>> Cool.

1456
00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:35,100
>> You can have that one.

1457
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:35,800
>> You can have that one.

1458
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,401
>> It's a joint book.

1459
00:35:36,401 --> 00:35:37,035
>> Oh, yeah, we made

1460
00:35:37,035 --> 00:35:37,802
a web series together,

1461
00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,270
so whatever she wrote, I can

1462
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:40,405
just put my name on it, right?

1463
00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:41,773
>> It's a joint book. Yeah.

1464
00:35:41,773 --> 00:35:42,240
>> Love it.

1465
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,441
>> Great. Thank you.

1466
00:35:43,441 --> 00:35:44,075
>> So now that we're going

1467
00:35:44,075 --> 00:35:45,276
to get some questions,

1468
00:35:45,276 --> 00:35:46,011
there are two mics

1469
00:35:46,011 --> 00:35:46,878
on either side of the stage,

1470
00:35:46,878 --> 00:35:48,279
so if you guys have questions,

1471
00:35:48,279 --> 00:35:49,047
please just line

1472
00:35:49,047 --> 00:35:50,548
up in front of those mics.

1473
00:35:50,548 --> 00:35:51,649
>> Can you talk about

1474
00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:53,351
differences in making or

1475
00:35:53,351 --> 00:35:54,519
starting to make or working on a

1476
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:55,487
web series versus shorts,

1477
00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:55,920
features?

1478
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,756
I mean, I imagine a lot of it

1479
00:35:57,756 --> 00:35:59,024
is a similar kind of process,

1480
00:35:59,024 --> 00:36:00,625
the writing, the casting,

1481
00:36:00,625 --> 00:36:02,961
the crew, the shooting, pre,

1482
00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:04,462
pro, whatever, all that stuff,

1483
00:36:04,462 --> 00:36:05,530
but are there any specific

1484
00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:07,332
differences you've noticed

1485
00:36:07,332 --> 00:36:09,634
that you can share?

1486
00:36:09,634 --> 00:36:12,537
>> I'd say a good question

1487
00:36:12,537 --> 00:36:14,105
to ask yourself is, "Does this

1488
00:36:14,105 --> 00:36:15,540
need to be a web series?"

1489
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:16,775
I think also I've

1490
00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:18,043
made pilots before.

1491
00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:19,210
I've worked with people who made

1492
00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:20,578
full pilots, and it's like,

1493
00:36:20,578 --> 00:36:23,515
"Why'd you do that?" You know?

1494
00:36:23,515 --> 00:36:24,916
[ Laughter ]

1495
00:36:24,916 --> 00:36:26,484
The biggest advice I give when

1496
00:36:26,484 --> 00:36:28,920
people ask is write something

1497
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,121
and then take your favorite

1498
00:36:30,121 --> 00:36:32,490
scene, try and make it stand

1499
00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:34,292
alone, and shoot just that.

1500
00:36:34,292 --> 00:36:35,794
If people like that one scene,

1501
00:36:35,794 --> 00:36:36,494
they'll want to see

1502
00:36:36,494 --> 00:36:38,363
30 minutes of it.

1503
00:36:38,363 --> 00:36:39,330
If it's a web series,

1504
00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:40,065
I think the thing is,

1505
00:36:40,065 --> 00:36:41,232
you've got characters.

1506
00:36:41,232 --> 00:36:42,667
You've got stories.

1507
00:36:42,667 --> 00:36:43,802
We've really prided ourselves

1508
00:36:43,802 --> 00:36:45,303
in trying to get as much story

1509
00:36:45,303 --> 00:36:46,538
into it as possible,

1510
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:48,139
and we wanted to do a web series

1511
00:36:48,139 --> 00:36:48,973
because we wanted to do

1512
00:36:48,973 --> 00:36:50,442
"A" plots and "B" plots.

1513
00:36:50,442 --> 00:36:51,710
We wanted to have

1514
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:52,610
Billy Corgan's son

1515
00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:54,779
having a, you know,

1516
00:36:54,779 --> 00:36:55,947
a connection with his father

1517
00:36:55,947 --> 00:36:57,449
while the other people

1518
00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:58,116
were dealing

1519
00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:00,151
with this killer robot,

1520
00:37:00,151 --> 00:37:01,553
and so it was like --

1521
00:37:01,553 --> 00:37:02,754
It's a form matching

1522
00:37:02,754 --> 00:37:04,355
the content sort of thing

1523
00:37:04,355 --> 00:37:06,991
where it's great if you love TV

1524
00:37:06,991 --> 00:37:08,293
and you want to make

1525
00:37:08,293 --> 00:37:09,761
these smaller episodes,

1526
00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:10,662
but it's also cool.

1527
00:37:10,662 --> 00:37:11,529
There are a lot of great web

1528
00:37:11,529 --> 00:37:12,230
series out there

1529
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,698
that break the form

1530
00:37:13,698 --> 00:37:15,233
and are super short

1531
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:18,002
or super artistic or whatever.

1532
00:37:18,002 --> 00:37:18,837
>> Thank you for your question.

1533
00:37:18,837 --> 00:37:19,604
>> Thank you.

1534
00:37:19,604 --> 00:37:21,072
>> Let's go to this side.

1535
00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:22,240
>> Hi.

1536
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,843
So, what is your process or

1537
00:37:24,843 --> 00:37:26,578
methods of promoting your work

1538
00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:27,912
and getting the word out there

1539
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:28,780
and getting people

1540
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:30,181
to know about your series

1541
00:37:30,181 --> 00:37:32,951
and watching them?

1542
00:37:32,951 --> 00:37:34,152
>> No, that's a good question.

1543
00:37:34,152 --> 00:37:34,886
It was one that I had

1544
00:37:34,886 --> 00:37:36,154
to ask myself, as well,

1545
00:37:36,154 --> 00:37:39,157
because I had no idea.

1546
00:37:39,157 --> 00:37:40,291
But, you know, it sounds cliché,

1547
00:37:40,291 --> 00:37:40,859
but, you know,

1548
00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:41,893
Facebook, Twitter.

1549
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:43,561
I had to, like, get on Twitter

1550
00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:45,864
to -- Yeah.

1551
00:37:45,864 --> 00:37:47,866
And, oh, Instagram.

1552
00:37:47,866 --> 00:37:50,335
I mean, it's basically a job in

1553
00:37:50,335 --> 00:37:51,202
and of itself

1554
00:37:51,202 --> 00:37:52,770
to promote this web series,

1555
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:54,139
and, thankfully, Lindsay was

1556
00:37:54,139 --> 00:37:55,406
like, "Yeah, I'll do it,"

1557
00:37:55,406 --> 00:37:56,641
so it was, like, "Great,"

1558
00:37:56,641 --> 00:37:57,976
because it's a full-time thing.

1559
00:37:57,976 --> 00:37:59,444
If people aren't constantly

1560
00:37:59,444 --> 00:38:00,211
reading things

1561
00:38:00,211 --> 00:38:01,012
that you put out there,

1562
00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:03,281
they forget about you.

1563
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:03,915
>> Yeah.

1564
00:38:03,915 --> 00:38:05,350
>> So I would just say

1565
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:06,851
as far as social media goes,

1566
00:38:06,851 --> 00:38:09,954
like, more is better, I guess.

1567
00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:10,922
>> Yeah.

1568
00:38:10,922 --> 00:38:13,124
>> Yeah.

1569
00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:13,892
>> All right.

1570
00:38:13,892 --> 00:38:14,726
>> I'm terrible at that.

1571
00:38:14,726 --> 00:38:15,760
>> I'm pretty bad at it, too.

1572
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,762
I will say, Sam very early

1573
00:38:17,762 --> 00:38:18,496
on, wrote

1574
00:38:18,496 --> 00:38:19,430
an article about "Triplets."

1575
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:20,198
>> Oh, yeah.

1576
00:38:20,198 --> 00:38:20,932
>> And it was like this big,

1577
00:38:20,932 --> 00:38:22,200
exciting moment that brought

1578
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,635
in a whole new audience

1579
00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:24,969
and was really cool,

1580
00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:27,272
so if you have friends in media,

1581
00:38:27,272 --> 00:38:28,473
you know, be savvy about it,

1582
00:38:28,473 --> 00:38:29,174
but try and

1583
00:38:29,174 --> 00:38:29,974
have those connections.

1584
00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:32,277
Also, if you can find a built-in

1585
00:38:32,277 --> 00:38:34,679
audience, then it's easier,

1586
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:36,080
and niche stuff can be cool,

1587
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:36,848
so if you're like,

1588
00:38:36,848 --> 00:38:37,882
"Man, I want to make something

1589
00:38:37,882 --> 00:38:39,417
for people who love math

1590
00:38:39,417 --> 00:38:41,653
and threesomes"...

1591
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:42,353
>> Make "Triplets

1592
00:38:42,353 --> 00:38:43,054
of Kings County."

1593
00:38:43,054 --> 00:38:44,222
>> Yeah, exactly.

1594
00:38:44,222 --> 00:38:45,190
>> Yeah. I'm just --

1595
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:46,457
I'm trying to think back

1596
00:38:46,457 --> 00:38:47,325
on the first, kind of, like,

1597
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:48,560
press that we got.

1598
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,596
It was AfterEllen,

1599
00:38:51,596 --> 00:38:53,064
and that was actually --

1600
00:38:53,064 --> 00:38:54,766
Because Leyla read AfterEllen

1601
00:38:54,766 --> 00:38:56,501
a lot, and I was like,

1602
00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:57,735
"Just e-mail them.

1603
00:38:57,735 --> 00:38:58,803
It doesn't matter. Just e-mail."

1604
00:38:58,803 --> 00:38:59,771
So then we e-mailed them,

1605
00:38:59,771 --> 00:39:00,471
and they were like,

1606
00:39:00,471 --> 00:39:01,172
"We love this.

1607
00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:02,473
We want to interview you."

1608
00:39:02,473 --> 00:39:04,108
That led to BuzzFeed,

1609
00:39:04,108 --> 00:39:05,410
IndieWire, Huffington Post.

1610
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:06,211
>> Yeah.

1611
00:39:06,211 --> 00:39:06,945
I'd say, like, wherever you

1612
00:39:06,945 --> 00:39:08,112
would like to see yourself,

1613
00:39:08,112 --> 00:39:08,846
just, like,

1614
00:39:08,846 --> 00:39:09,881
just submit to those people.

1615
00:39:09,881 --> 00:39:10,515
>> Yeah.

1616
00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:11,282
>> I mean, they could

1617
00:39:11,282 --> 00:39:12,217
ignore you, or they could not.

1618
00:39:12,217 --> 00:39:13,451
>> Yeah, exactly.

1619
00:39:13,451 --> 00:39:14,018
>> It's, you know --

1620
00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:14,686
Take your chance.

1621
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:15,453
>> Don't be afraid. Do it.

1622
00:39:15,453 --> 00:39:15,853
>> Yeah.

1623
00:39:15,853 --> 00:39:16,387
>> Yeah.

1624
00:39:16,387 --> 00:39:17,388
>> Beautiful.

1625
00:39:17,388 --> 00:39:18,389
Over here?

1626
00:39:18,389 --> 00:39:19,591
>> Hello.

1627
00:39:19,591 --> 00:39:21,492
I had a question about funding

1628
00:39:21,492 --> 00:39:22,193
in terms of things

1629
00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:22,994
like Kickstarter,

1630
00:39:22,994 --> 00:39:24,362
GoFundMe, or even maybe

1631
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:27,332
like sponsorship from a company.

1632
00:39:27,332 --> 00:39:29,234
Basically, how do you do this

1633
00:39:29,234 --> 00:39:30,401
and stay afloat

1634
00:39:30,401 --> 00:39:31,603
and keep paying your rent?

1635
00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:33,738
So, yeah.

1636
00:39:33,738 --> 00:39:35,106
>> We didn't crowdfund.

1637
00:39:35,106 --> 00:39:36,507
>> We did not crowdfund just

1638
00:39:36,507 --> 00:39:38,676
because we, like I said,

1639
00:39:38,676 --> 00:39:39,410
I think we should try

1640
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:40,511
to do everything on our own.

1641
00:39:40,511 --> 00:39:41,746
If I did it again,

1642
00:39:41,746 --> 00:39:43,448
I would probably crowdfund so

1643
00:39:43,448 --> 00:39:46,451
we could have a little bit more,

1644
00:39:46,451 --> 00:39:49,520
but I think once people start

1645
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,055
talking about you, like,

1646
00:39:51,055 --> 00:39:53,791
a little bit, it helps to --

1647
00:39:53,791 --> 00:39:55,426
You know, we've made, like,

1648
00:39:55,426 --> 00:39:56,194
stickers,

1649
00:39:56,194 --> 00:39:58,596
and we sent them out at Pride.

1650
00:39:58,596 --> 00:40:01,132
That was one of our big things.

1651
00:40:01,132 --> 00:40:02,233
You know, find an audience,

1652
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,470
I guess, and target for that,

1653
00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:07,472
but also getting your campaign

1654
00:40:07,472 --> 00:40:08,973
on one of those pages, as well,

1655
00:40:08,973 --> 00:40:09,641
would probably

1656
00:40:09,641 --> 00:40:11,142
do you really well.

1657
00:40:11,142 --> 00:40:13,278
We had it for pay on Vimeo

1658
00:40:13,278 --> 00:40:15,179
after it went out on Pivot,

1659
00:40:15,179 --> 00:40:17,048
and we made quite a bit,

1660
00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:17,849
I think, for a little

1661
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:19,217
while, you know, 99 cents

1662
00:40:19,217 --> 00:40:20,618
an episode or whatnot,

1663
00:40:20,618 --> 00:40:23,154
and I think that's also

1664
00:40:23,154 --> 00:40:24,422
a good way to go, you know?

1665
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,425
Maybe make a little on your own,

1666
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:28,259
and then from that,

1667
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:29,160
you can fund the rest.

1668
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:29,694
>> Mm-hmm.

1669
00:40:29,694 --> 00:40:31,996
Yup.

1670
00:40:31,996 --> 00:40:32,764
>> I have mixed feelings

1671
00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:33,998
on crowdfunding.

1672
00:40:33,998 --> 00:40:35,600
It's tough, and it's also

1673
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,068
really hard to get outside

1674
00:40:37,068 --> 00:40:38,036
of your bubble of friends

1675
00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:39,337
and family, so it's like,

1676
00:40:39,337 --> 00:40:40,004
if you're going to do that,

1677
00:40:40,004 --> 00:40:40,672
just ask

1678
00:40:40,672 --> 00:40:41,739
your friends and family.

1679
00:40:41,739 --> 00:40:42,473
>> Right.

1680
00:40:42,473 --> 00:40:43,341
>> I have a friend who works

1681
00:40:43,341 --> 00:40:44,242
at Kickstarter, and he's like,

1682
00:40:44,242 --> 00:40:46,811
"Don't crowdfund videos there

1683
00:40:46,811 --> 00:40:48,212
because it's just

1684
00:40:48,212 --> 00:40:49,981
not going to break out."

1685
00:40:49,981 --> 00:40:51,516
He says Kickstarter is the best

1686
00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:53,051
if you use it like a store

1687
00:40:53,051 --> 00:40:54,352
and giving people something

1688
00:40:54,352 --> 00:40:55,219
they get back in return.

1689
00:40:55,219 --> 00:40:55,987
>> Yeah.

1690
00:40:55,987 --> 00:40:56,988
>> And I'm of the mind-set

1691
00:40:56,988 --> 00:40:59,324
that video isn't quite enough.

1692
00:40:59,324 --> 00:41:00,692
If you're going to do that,

1693
00:41:00,692 --> 00:41:01,693
I would just say make sure

1694
00:41:01,693 --> 00:41:04,228
you have something to show

1695
00:41:04,228 --> 00:41:05,330
for your work

1696
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:06,564
beforehand because just saying,

1697
00:41:06,564 --> 00:41:07,865
"I got this great idea,

1698
00:41:07,865 --> 00:41:08,800
and me and my funny friends

1699
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,734
are going to make it,"

1700
00:41:09,734 --> 00:41:12,437
is not going to be

1701
00:41:12,437 --> 00:41:14,639
as convincing as being like,

1702
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:16,107
"I made this first episode,

1703
00:41:16,107 --> 00:41:16,908
and I'm really proud of it.

1704
00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:18,009
Here's a scene.

1705
00:41:18,009 --> 00:41:19,210
I want to take it

1706
00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:20,511
to this next spot."

1707
00:41:20,511 --> 00:41:21,779
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1708
00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:22,914
And I forgot to say this at the

1709
00:41:22,914 --> 00:41:23,681
beginning,

1710
00:41:23,681 --> 00:41:24,582
but if you guys are students,

1711
00:41:24,582 --> 00:41:26,484
please say your school

1712
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:27,585
just so we can all

1713
00:41:27,585 --> 00:41:29,087
[British accent] hear where

1714
00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:30,221
you're coming from.

1715
00:41:30,221 --> 00:41:31,189
[ Normal voice ] I don't know

1716
00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:32,123
why I pick accents when I --

1717
00:41:32,123 --> 00:41:33,191
>> Brand-new graduate

1718
00:41:33,191 --> 00:41:34,392
of Allegheny College.

1719
00:41:34,392 --> 00:41:35,360
>> Congratulations.

1720
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:35,893
>> Oh, cool.

1721
00:41:35,893 --> 00:41:36,561
>> How exciting!

1722
00:41:36,561 --> 00:41:37,261
Cool.

1723
00:41:37,261 --> 00:41:39,597
Thanks for your question.

1724
00:41:39,597 --> 00:41:40,431
>> Bear with me.

1725
00:41:40,431 --> 00:41:41,366
I'm going to try to make this

1726
00:41:41,366 --> 00:41:42,100
fit within

1727
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:43,468
the one-question schematic,

1728
00:41:43,468 --> 00:41:45,103
but for any of you guys

1729
00:41:45,103 --> 00:41:47,638
that are not native New Yorkers,

1730
00:41:47,638 --> 00:41:49,040
how do you feel coming

1731
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,841
to New York

1732
00:41:49,841 --> 00:41:51,042
changed the lens through which

1733
00:41:51,042 --> 00:41:52,443
you tell your story?

1734
00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:53,678
>> I'm not a native New Yorker,

1735
00:41:53,678 --> 00:41:55,179
and I think New York changed

1736
00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:56,781
the lens entirely, you know?

1737
00:41:56,781 --> 00:41:58,816
The whole concept of my series

1738
00:41:58,816 --> 00:42:02,120
is about how New York is too --

1739
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,121
Like, I can't afford it,

1740
00:42:03,121 --> 00:42:05,423
you know what I mean, versus,

1741
00:42:05,423 --> 00:42:06,691
like, I shouldn't live here,

1742
00:42:06,691 --> 00:42:07,492
but, I mean,

1743
00:42:07,492 --> 00:42:08,459
I'm from the Silicon Valley,

1744
00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:09,894
which is equally terrible,

1745
00:42:09,894 --> 00:42:10,428
you know?

1746
00:42:10,428 --> 00:42:11,129
>> Yeah.

1747
00:42:11,129 --> 00:42:11,763
>> So, there's, like,

1748
00:42:11,763 --> 00:42:12,764
what do you do, right?

1749
00:42:12,764 --> 00:42:15,633
I mean, but still, to that end,

1750
00:42:15,633 --> 00:42:17,335
there, everybody I know my age

1751
00:42:17,335 --> 00:42:19,003
is, like, buying a house

1752
00:42:19,003 --> 00:42:20,605
and getting a dog,

1753
00:42:20,605 --> 00:42:22,240
and I have mixed feelings

1754
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:23,975
about having dogs in apartments,

1755
00:42:23,975 --> 00:42:25,643
and so, I mean, for me,

1756
00:42:25,643 --> 00:42:27,111
it's, like, specifically that.

1757
00:42:27,111 --> 00:42:28,346
Like, New York is its own

1758
00:42:28,346 --> 00:42:29,113
beautiful beast,

1759
00:42:29,113 --> 00:42:30,848
and, like, I would be nowhere

1760
00:42:30,848 --> 00:42:33,351
without it as an inspiration,

1761
00:42:33,351 --> 00:42:35,920
do you know?

1762
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,721
>> Thank you.

1763
00:42:36,721 --> 00:42:38,890
>> Yeah.

1764
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:39,957
>> Over here?

1765
00:42:39,957 --> 00:42:41,459
>> Hi.

1766
00:42:41,459 --> 00:42:42,894
I just have a question

1767
00:42:42,894 --> 00:42:44,162
about what kind of advice

1768
00:42:44,162 --> 00:42:45,496
you would give to someone

1769
00:42:45,496 --> 00:42:47,932
like me who does not have

1770
00:42:47,932 --> 00:42:49,734
any real experience

1771
00:42:49,734 --> 00:42:51,569
writing scripts or --

1772
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:53,137
I mean, I've always written.

1773
00:42:53,137 --> 00:42:53,905
Even as a child,

1774
00:42:53,905 --> 00:42:55,173
I would like to write stories,

1775
00:42:55,173 --> 00:42:57,241
fictional stories,

1776
00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:58,276
but I've never done this

1777
00:42:58,276 --> 00:43:01,012
in a creative capacity,

1778
00:43:01,012 --> 00:43:02,447
and definitely have not done

1779
00:43:02,447 --> 00:43:04,849
this for people,

1780
00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:06,417
but, yeah,

1781
00:43:06,417 --> 00:43:08,653
so I'm just starting out.

1782
00:43:08,653 --> 00:43:09,420
I want to get started.

1783
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:10,087
I don't have any

1784
00:43:10,087 --> 00:43:11,622
official training,

1785
00:43:11,622 --> 00:43:14,125
and I'd love some advice.

1786
00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:15,560
[ Chuckles ]

1787
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,361
>> I mean, I didn't have any

1788
00:43:17,361 --> 00:43:18,629
specific training towards this.

1789
00:43:18,629 --> 00:43:19,530
I went to the experimental

1790
00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:20,965
theater wing,

1791
00:43:20,965 --> 00:43:22,633
and they, like, taught, like,

1792
00:43:22,633 --> 00:43:23,534
self-scripting and, like,

1793
00:43:23,534 --> 00:43:24,635
writing things down on a paper

1794
00:43:24,635 --> 00:43:25,470
and saying it out loud

1795
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:26,571
but not, like, how to do this.

1796
00:43:26,571 --> 00:43:27,371
>> Okay.

1797
00:43:27,371 --> 00:43:28,339
>> I downloaded Celtx, which is

1798
00:43:28,339 --> 00:43:29,607
a free, online script --

1799
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:30,575
>> What is it? Celtx?

1800
00:43:30,575 --> 00:43:32,343
>> Celtx, C-E-L-T-X.

1801
00:43:32,343 --> 00:43:32,977
>> Thank you.

1802
00:43:32,977 --> 00:43:33,544
>> And it just formats

1803
00:43:33,544 --> 00:43:34,178
the script for you

1804
00:43:34,178 --> 00:43:35,112
so you don't have

1805
00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:38,916
to actually think about it.

1806
00:43:38,916 --> 00:43:39,484
And, literally, like,

1807
00:43:39,484 --> 00:43:40,218
anyone can write.

1808
00:43:40,218 --> 00:43:41,052
Write what you know.

1809
00:43:41,052 --> 00:43:41,953
I mean, those are tropes,

1810
00:43:41,953 --> 00:43:43,621
but it's true,

1811
00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:47,358
and I think that should not

1812
00:43:47,358 --> 00:43:49,093
stop you from doing it.

1813
00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:50,561
I didn't know what I was doing.

1814
00:43:50,561 --> 00:43:51,295
>> Okay.

1815
00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:53,397
>> People still watched it.

1816
00:43:53,397 --> 00:43:55,233
You guys watched it, right?

1817
00:43:55,233 --> 00:43:56,200
[ Laughter ]

1818
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,668
So, yeah.

1819
00:43:57,668 --> 00:43:58,703
>> WriterDuet is another

1820
00:43:58,703 --> 00:44:00,505
really good software.

1821
00:44:00,505 --> 00:44:01,906
It's online, but you can

1822
00:44:01,906 --> 00:44:03,274
collaborate with other people,

1823
00:44:03,274 --> 00:44:05,142
and you can save it as a PDF,

1824
00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:07,879
a Celtx file, or a Final Draft,

1825
00:44:07,879 --> 00:44:09,247
but also use Word.

1826
00:44:09,247 --> 00:44:10,348
Use whatever.

1827
00:44:10,348 --> 00:44:12,383
Like, nobody is going to care

1828
00:44:12,383 --> 00:44:13,851
if the format is right

1829
00:44:13,851 --> 00:44:15,987
when they see the final product,

1830
00:44:15,987 --> 00:44:18,656
but you can find scripts online,

1831
00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:20,057
so download a script

1832
00:44:20,057 --> 00:44:21,659
of the pilot of a TV

1833
00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:23,794
show you like or whatever it is

1834
00:44:23,794 --> 00:44:25,830
because it is useful.

1835
00:44:25,830 --> 00:44:27,031
Formatting aside, it's useful

1836
00:44:27,031 --> 00:44:27,832
to be like,

1837
00:44:27,832 --> 00:44:29,567
"Oh, you need to set up the --

1838
00:44:29,567 --> 00:44:30,468
You need to give the actors

1839
00:44:30,468 --> 00:44:31,636
this much information,

1840
00:44:31,636 --> 00:44:32,637
or you need to do

1841
00:44:32,637 --> 00:44:33,838
stage directions like this,"

1842
00:44:33,838 --> 00:44:35,406
or whatever

1843
00:44:35,406 --> 00:44:36,674
it is that goes into it.

1844
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:38,643
It's just cool to read it,

1845
00:44:38,643 --> 00:44:41,445
or, you know, plays are similar.

1846
00:44:41,445 --> 00:44:42,914
Grab some playbooks and read

1847
00:44:42,914 --> 00:44:43,681
those,

1848
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:44,749
and then the other thing would

1849
00:44:44,749 --> 00:44:45,449
be have a table

1850
00:44:45,449 --> 00:44:47,251
read with your friends.

1851
00:44:47,251 --> 00:44:48,953
For any writing, that's huge,

1852
00:44:48,953 --> 00:44:50,821
but cast the people

1853
00:44:50,821 --> 00:44:52,924
or force the people in your life

1854
00:44:52,924 --> 00:44:54,292
who you love and who love you

1855
00:44:54,292 --> 00:44:55,860
to say your words out loud,

1856
00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:56,727
and you'll hear them,

1857
00:44:56,727 --> 00:44:57,728
and you'll immediately be like,

1858
00:44:57,728 --> 00:44:59,096
"Ooh, I don't want to commit

1859
00:44:59,096 --> 00:45:00,798
that to celluloid,"

1860
00:45:00,798 --> 00:45:03,200
which we all shoot on,

1861
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,835
but that's a really great way

1862
00:45:04,835 --> 00:45:06,470
to make yourself

1863
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:08,072
also feel like it's like

1864
00:45:08,072 --> 00:45:09,273
your doing it because you are.

1865
00:45:09,273 --> 00:45:09,807
>> Yeah.

1866
00:45:09,807 --> 00:45:10,374
>> I really also

1867
00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:11,142
wanted to say --

1868
00:45:11,142 --> 00:45:12,877
This was the thought I forgot --

1869
00:45:12,877 --> 00:45:14,111
there are so many classes

1870
00:45:14,111 --> 00:45:15,012
in this city, and there are

1871
00:45:15,012 --> 00:45:16,681
so many scholarship programs.

1872
00:45:16,681 --> 00:45:18,282
I took classes at UCD

1873
00:45:18,282 --> 00:45:19,517
completely for free through

1874
00:45:19,517 --> 00:45:21,218
their diversity programming

1875
00:45:21,218 --> 00:45:22,553
as a queer,

1876
00:45:22,553 --> 00:45:24,121
genderqueer person of color.

1877
00:45:24,121 --> 00:45:25,122
I mean, they --

1878
00:45:25,122 --> 00:45:26,257
You know, you can

1879
00:45:26,257 --> 00:45:27,091
take writing courses for free.

1880
00:45:27,091 --> 00:45:28,359
You can find those avenues.

1881
00:45:28,359 --> 00:45:29,894
They are out there.

1882
00:45:29,894 --> 00:45:30,795
Look to see if you can get

1883
00:45:30,795 --> 00:45:32,430
a discount in a writing course

1884
00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:33,798
at the Gotham, you know,

1885
00:45:33,798 --> 00:45:34,465
Writers Workshop.

1886
00:45:34,465 --> 00:45:35,900
There is lots of places,

1887
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:37,335
you know, when you graduate

1888
00:45:37,335 --> 00:45:38,936
from undergrad or grad school,

1889
00:45:38,936 --> 00:45:40,104
wherever you're at,

1890
00:45:40,104 --> 00:45:41,138
school doesn't stop.

1891
00:45:41,138 --> 00:45:42,139
Learning doesn't stop.

1892
00:45:42,139 --> 00:45:43,174
There's so many avenues

1893
00:45:43,174 --> 00:45:44,609
to teach yourself.

1894
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:45,176
>> Cool.

1895
00:45:45,176 --> 00:45:45,843
Thank you so much.

1896
00:45:45,843 --> 00:45:46,477
I really appreciate it.

1897
00:45:46,477 --> 00:45:47,645
>> Of course.

1898
00:45:47,645 --> 00:45:48,813
Over here?

1899
00:45:48,813 --> 00:45:49,580
>> Hi.

1900
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:50,581
My question is in reaction

1901
00:45:50,581 --> 00:45:51,382
to you

1902
00:45:51,382 --> 00:45:52,316
saying that too many web series

1903
00:45:52,316 --> 00:45:53,551
were about people just

1904
00:45:53,551 --> 00:45:54,318
sitting around

1905
00:45:54,318 --> 00:45:55,553
their apartments and talking.

1906
00:45:55,553 --> 00:45:57,321
I guess it's just, like,

1907
00:45:57,321 --> 00:45:58,823
you know, reality TV came along,

1908
00:45:58,823 --> 00:46:00,124
and it satisfied all of our

1909
00:46:00,124 --> 00:46:01,425
wandering attention spans

1910
00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:02,827
and ADD, and I just feel

1911
00:46:02,827 --> 00:46:04,028
like that's happening even

1912
00:46:04,028 --> 00:46:05,730
more rapidly with the Internet,

1913
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:08,099
so I liked a lot of your work,

1914
00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:09,600
but it's, like, you know,

1915
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,668
we're desiring this kind of,

1916
00:46:10,668 --> 00:46:12,169
like, strange burst to,

1917
00:46:12,169 --> 00:46:14,105
like, blast through our laptops

1918
00:46:14,105 --> 00:46:15,006
and show us something

1919
00:46:15,006 --> 00:46:15,873
that hasn't been seen

1920
00:46:15,873 --> 00:46:16,574
with traditional

1921
00:46:16,574 --> 00:46:18,042
narrative storytelling.

1922
00:46:18,042 --> 00:46:18,876
Do you agree with that,

1923
00:46:18,876 --> 00:46:20,478
and do you have any way

1924
00:46:20,478 --> 00:46:21,379
that you can see

1925
00:46:21,379 --> 00:46:22,680
that that's going to evolve?

1926
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,648
>> So I think part of that, too,

1927
00:46:23,648 --> 00:46:25,016
is it's frustrating to be like,

1928
00:46:25,016 --> 00:46:25,750
"This is the web.

1929
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:26,651
This is supposed to be

1930
00:46:26,651 --> 00:46:27,184
the future.

1931
00:46:27,184 --> 00:46:28,052
This is where anything

1932
00:46:28,052 --> 00:46:28,853
can happen,"

1933
00:46:28,853 --> 00:46:30,421
and people are making

1934
00:46:30,421 --> 00:46:31,989
sitcoms that we've seen

1935
00:46:31,989 --> 00:46:32,757
with the same tropes

1936
00:46:32,757 --> 00:46:34,425
and the same stuff in just

1937
00:46:34,425 --> 00:46:35,826
a shorter form with no money

1938
00:46:35,826 --> 00:46:36,761
and less experience, right?

1939
00:46:36,761 --> 00:46:37,828
So it's, like, we don't need

1940
00:46:37,828 --> 00:46:42,833
the Internet to be worse TV,

1941
00:46:42,833 --> 00:46:43,701
so maybe I think

1942
00:46:43,701 --> 00:46:44,869
that's what I was reacting to,

1943
00:46:44,869 --> 00:46:46,070
so I think that's tough.

1944
00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:48,039
I think, like, I don't have

1945
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,274
any advice on how to make art,

1946
00:46:50,274 --> 00:46:51,342
you know, necessarily.

1947
00:46:51,342 --> 00:46:52,510
I think push yourself.

1948
00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:53,744
Find people who are making

1949
00:46:53,744 --> 00:46:54,945
strange things

1950
00:46:54,945 --> 00:46:56,747
and steal from them.

1951
00:46:56,747 --> 00:46:58,516
I think embrace the medium.

1952
00:46:58,516 --> 00:46:59,950
Like, I was never really

1953
00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:01,352
on Vine, but --

1954
00:47:01,352 --> 00:47:04,655
And people liked to talk poorly

1955
00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:05,289
about Vine,

1956
00:47:05,289 --> 00:47:06,023
but there were people

1957
00:47:06,023 --> 00:47:07,224
doing really amazing things.

1958
00:47:07,224 --> 00:47:08,893
My friend Avery Monsen,

1959
00:47:08,893 --> 00:47:11,729
he makes magic tricks on Vine,

1960
00:47:11,729 --> 00:47:12,963
all these practical effects,

1961
00:47:12,963 --> 00:47:15,332
and it's mind-blowing.

1962
00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:16,701
So I guess the first place

1963
00:47:16,701 --> 00:47:17,601
to start would be,

1964
00:47:17,601 --> 00:47:19,870
"What are you lacking that's...

1965
00:47:19,870 --> 00:47:22,473
in the cultural media?"

1966
00:47:22,473 --> 00:47:23,641
and then fill that hole

1967
00:47:23,641 --> 00:47:24,241
yourself.

1968
00:47:24,241 --> 00:47:24,775
>> Thank you.

1969
00:47:24,775 --> 00:47:25,876
>> Yeah.

1970
00:47:25,876 --> 00:47:28,512
Over here?

1971
00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:31,248
>> Hi. My name is Stacy.

1972
00:47:31,248 --> 00:47:33,084
Nice to meet you guys.

1973
00:47:33,084 --> 00:47:35,219
I wanted to see if you all could

1974
00:47:35,219 --> 00:47:38,022
talk more about

1975
00:47:38,022 --> 00:47:40,191
when you're creating a series

1976
00:47:40,191 --> 00:47:41,592
for the Internet

1977
00:47:41,592 --> 00:47:43,060
or different platforms,

1978
00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:43,961
I know you --

1979
00:47:43,961 --> 00:47:46,564
The creator in the red spoke

1980
00:47:46,564 --> 00:47:48,332
about, like, situations

1981
00:47:48,332 --> 00:47:50,334
with a producer, but, basically,

1982
00:47:50,334 --> 00:47:51,602
can you talk about, like,

1983
00:47:51,602 --> 00:47:53,170
contracts and rights

1984
00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:54,138
and when you're, you know,

1985
00:47:54,138 --> 00:47:55,106
when you're putting the final

1986
00:47:55,106 --> 00:47:55,773
composition

1987
00:47:55,773 --> 00:47:57,241
of everything together,

1988
00:47:57,241 --> 00:47:58,642
what are the things that you

1989
00:47:58,642 --> 00:47:59,877
have to look out for,

1990
00:47:59,877 --> 00:48:02,880
like, what are the logistics

1991
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,917
of getting everything done?

1992
00:48:06,917 --> 00:48:07,752
>> Well, for me,

1993
00:48:07,752 --> 00:48:10,087
for my first web series,

1994
00:48:10,087 --> 00:48:12,123
nobody was, like, in the union,

1995
00:48:12,123 --> 00:48:14,458
so we had asked one person

1996
00:48:14,458 --> 00:48:17,294
who was to come do a one-line,

1997
00:48:17,294 --> 00:48:18,529
which was, like the smallest

1998
00:48:18,529 --> 00:48:19,830
role that I cast,

1999
00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:21,532
and so my producer was like,

2000
00:48:21,532 --> 00:48:23,200
"Oh, I've been dying to learn

2001
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,102
how to do Taft-Hartley forms,"

2002
00:48:25,102 --> 00:48:26,070
and so, like,

2003
00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:27,705
researched it and did it,

2004
00:48:27,705 --> 00:48:30,040
and I got 24 people

2005
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,143
who were not in the union

2006
00:48:32,143 --> 00:48:33,077
eligibility

2007
00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:34,812
just by making the whole

2008
00:48:34,812 --> 00:48:36,447
production a union one.

2009
00:48:36,447 --> 00:48:37,081
>> Oh, that's awesome.

2010
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:37,882
>> And the information

2011
00:48:37,882 --> 00:48:38,616
is out there.

2012
00:48:38,616 --> 00:48:39,517
>> Mm-hmm.

2013
00:48:39,517 --> 00:48:41,185
>> It's tedious, but it's not

2014
00:48:41,185 --> 00:48:44,522
impossible to do on your own.

2015
00:48:44,522 --> 00:48:45,723
Work with people who are

2016
00:48:45,723 --> 00:48:46,423
interested

2017
00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:47,424
in pursuing that further,

2018
00:48:47,424 --> 00:48:50,194
and they'll be excited to, like,

2019
00:48:50,194 --> 00:48:51,562
figure that out with you.

2020
00:48:51,562 --> 00:48:53,330
>> Okay.

2021
00:48:53,330 --> 00:48:53,998
>> Yeah.

2022
00:48:53,998 --> 00:48:54,799
Cool.

2023
00:48:54,799 --> 00:48:56,100
>> There's also free, like,

2024
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:58,002
in terms of rights

2025
00:48:58,002 --> 00:48:59,270
and stuff you can find, like,

2026
00:48:59,270 --> 00:49:00,004
YouTube

2027
00:49:00,004 --> 00:49:02,306
has an audio music library.

2028
00:49:02,306 --> 00:49:04,141
There are ways around --

2029
00:49:04,141 --> 00:49:05,042
If you're trying

2030
00:49:05,042 --> 00:49:06,243
to do something like that,

2031
00:49:06,243 --> 00:49:08,179
which is really cool and awesome

2032
00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:09,847
and takes paperwork, go for it.

2033
00:49:09,847 --> 00:49:10,714
If you're trying to just make

2034
00:49:10,714 --> 00:49:11,348
something

2035
00:49:11,348 --> 00:49:12,883
and not get sued,

2036
00:49:12,883 --> 00:49:14,118
there's also ways to do that.

2037
00:49:14,118 --> 00:49:15,152
Most stuff you need,

2038
00:49:15,152 --> 00:49:16,453
you can find online.

2039
00:49:16,453 --> 00:49:17,488
>> Okay.

2040
00:49:17,488 --> 00:49:19,657
Thank you.

2041
00:49:19,657 --> 00:49:21,025
>> Awesome.

2042
00:49:21,025 --> 00:49:21,592
>> Hi.

2043
00:49:21,592 --> 00:49:22,760
Thanks for coming

2044
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,429
and sharing your experience.

2045
00:49:25,429 --> 00:49:26,363
All of your videos had really

2046
00:49:26,363 --> 00:49:27,565
great production values,

2047
00:49:27,565 --> 00:49:29,033
and I was just wondering

2048
00:49:29,033 --> 00:49:31,001
two quick questions about that.

2049
00:49:31,001 --> 00:49:32,369
Do you mic all of your actors

2050
00:49:32,369 --> 00:49:33,971
and then have a boom mic,

2051
00:49:33,971 --> 00:49:35,206
as well?

2052
00:49:35,206 --> 00:49:36,006
Everybody does that?

2053
00:49:36,006 --> 00:49:39,677
And then did you have lights?

2054
00:49:39,677 --> 00:49:40,444
Everybody had a light kit, too?

2055
00:49:40,444 --> 00:49:41,645
>> We had, what, two?

2056
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:42,680
>> We had maybe, at most, two.

2057
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,747
>> At most, two, yeah.

2058
00:49:43,747 --> 00:49:45,349
And we like to do things

2059
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:46,550
during the day

2060
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:47,985
when it's really easy to light.

2061
00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,620
>> Yeah.

2062
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:50,287
I also shoot

2063
00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:51,155
a lot of documentaries.

2064
00:49:51,155 --> 00:49:51,722
>> Yeah.

2065
00:49:51,722 --> 00:49:52,223
>> And when you do

2066
00:49:52,223 --> 00:49:52,890
documentaries,

2067
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:53,691
you can't, like --

2068
00:49:53,691 --> 00:49:54,491
If we were going to shoot here,

2069
00:49:54,491 --> 00:49:55,793
I was going to shoot this panel,

2070
00:49:55,793 --> 00:49:56,560
I would probably come

2071
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:57,628
30 minutes before and be like,

2072
00:49:57,628 --> 00:49:58,362
"Okay. Oh, great.

2073
00:49:58,362 --> 00:49:59,230
There are lights up there.

2074
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:00,831
Let's turn those on, you know?"

2075
00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:02,366
But I think being resourceful --

2076
00:50:02,366 --> 00:50:03,400
Also, if you were going to shoot

2077
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,201
at a location

2078
00:50:04,201 --> 00:50:05,769
that you've been at before,

2079
00:50:05,769 --> 00:50:06,904
go at different times of day.

2080
00:50:06,904 --> 00:50:08,239
See what natural light looks

2081
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,673
like, and you can save money

2082
00:50:09,673 --> 00:50:12,076
that way, too.

2083
00:50:12,076 --> 00:50:14,011
>> And it's also know your --

2084
00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:14,778
I call it the point

2085
00:50:14,778 --> 00:50:16,180
of diminishing returns.

2086
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:16,947
If you're making a video

2087
00:50:16,947 --> 00:50:18,382
for the Internet, like,

2088
00:50:18,382 --> 00:50:19,717
you can make it look

2089
00:50:19,717 --> 00:50:21,819
$1 million, fantastic,

2090
00:50:21,819 --> 00:50:22,686
but if somebody's watching it

2091
00:50:22,686 --> 00:50:23,454
on their phone, like,

2092
00:50:23,454 --> 00:50:26,023
make it look as good as it can

2093
00:50:26,023 --> 00:50:27,157
without hindering

2094
00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:28,259
the rest of production.

2095
00:50:28,259 --> 00:50:28,993
>> Yeah.

2096
00:50:28,993 --> 00:50:29,627
>> So it's like, yeah,

2097
00:50:29,627 --> 00:50:30,427
a lot of great cameras

2098
00:50:30,427 --> 00:50:31,795
right now, if you shoot outside,

2099
00:50:31,795 --> 00:50:33,230
you don't need

2100
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:34,798
to do crazy lighting stuff,

2101
00:50:34,798 --> 00:50:36,600
but sound is super important.

2102
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,201
>> Yeah.

2103
00:50:37,201 --> 00:50:38,002
No, definitely lob.

2104
00:50:38,002 --> 00:50:39,870
We lobbed each, and then

2105
00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:41,138
I mostly held the boom

2106
00:50:41,138 --> 00:50:44,341
a lot of the time, but, yeah.

2107
00:50:44,341 --> 00:50:45,042
>> Cool.

2108
00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:46,110
We have time for one last

2109
00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:49,079
question, which is over here.

2110
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:51,782
>> Once you've made your series,

2111
00:50:51,782 --> 00:50:52,516
what's

2112
00:50:52,516 --> 00:50:53,317
the best way to put it out?

2113
00:50:53,317 --> 00:50:55,152
Is it week by week, all at once,

2114
00:50:55,152 --> 00:50:57,187
or should you kind of hold it

2115
00:50:57,187 --> 00:50:58,222
close to the breast in case

2116
00:50:58,222 --> 00:50:59,990
you want to submit it somewhere

2117
00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:03,260
or try to sell it to someone?

2118
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:05,129
>> We did every other week.

2119
00:51:05,129 --> 00:51:06,530
>> We did -- I don't remember.

2120
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:07,932
I think we did --

2121
00:51:07,932 --> 00:51:08,933
We did every other week.

2122
00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:10,467
>> We did every other week.

2123
00:51:10,467 --> 00:51:12,937
But, yeah, we only had

2124
00:51:12,937 --> 00:51:13,771
five episodes, though,

2125
00:51:13,771 --> 00:51:15,039
so it was over pretty fast.

2126
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:17,641
>> But we also

2127
00:51:17,641 --> 00:51:18,943
cut it so that --

2128
00:51:18,943 --> 00:51:20,511
So we ended up being on Pivot,

2129
00:51:20,511 --> 00:51:21,145
which was owned

2130
00:51:21,145 --> 00:51:22,046
by Participant Media,

2131
00:51:22,046 --> 00:51:23,747
which is a network, and --

2132
00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:24,715
>> It doesn't exist

2133
00:51:24,715 --> 00:51:25,783
anymore, though.

2134
00:51:25,783 --> 00:51:26,617
>> Yeah, but when it did,

2135
00:51:26,617 --> 00:51:27,351
it was great.

2136
00:51:27,351 --> 00:51:28,118
>> It was good.

2137
00:51:28,118 --> 00:51:29,787
>> And they needed our content

2138
00:51:29,787 --> 00:51:33,457
to be a specific time for the --

2139
00:51:33,457 --> 00:51:36,093
I guess to appear on the guide

2140
00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:37,127
on cable or something,

2141
00:51:37,127 --> 00:51:38,796
so we actually had to recut

2142
00:51:38,796 --> 00:51:39,763
our five episodes,

2143
00:51:39,763 --> 00:51:42,066
which was 33 minutes

2144
00:51:42,066 --> 00:51:44,368
into a 30-minute chunk, so...

2145
00:51:44,368 --> 00:51:45,536
>> And then they cut that into,

2146
00:51:45,536 --> 00:51:46,303
like, five pieces.

2147
00:51:46,303 --> 00:51:47,404
>> And then they cut that up,

2148
00:51:47,404 --> 00:51:48,639
so I would say, like,

2149
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:50,240
in terms of length

2150
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:51,575
and all that stuff,

2151
00:51:51,575 --> 00:51:52,776
it's great when you're able

2152
00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:53,844
to cut little scenes out, too,

2153
00:51:53,844 --> 00:51:55,779
to, like, make it an Instagram

2154
00:51:55,779 --> 00:51:57,014
video, because we did that.

2155
00:51:57,014 --> 00:51:58,182
We shot a bunch of things

2156
00:51:58,182 --> 00:52:00,451
that we timed for 15 seconds,

2157
00:52:00,451 --> 00:52:02,219
and then we only put that out,

2158
00:52:02,219 --> 00:52:04,254
and that led to more

2159
00:52:04,254 --> 00:52:05,723
and more and more subscribers,

2160
00:52:05,723 --> 00:52:06,523
which was kind of crazy.

2161
00:52:06,523 --> 00:52:07,524
>> Yeah, those little Instagram

2162
00:52:07,524 --> 00:52:08,225
videos, too, are good

2163
00:52:08,225 --> 00:52:09,727
when you don't have time to make

2164
00:52:09,727 --> 00:52:11,295
an actual episode and you want

2165
00:52:11,295 --> 00:52:12,529
to keep people interested.

2166
00:52:12,529 --> 00:52:13,731
>> Yeah.

2167
00:52:13,731 --> 00:52:14,531
>> Get together for an hour

2168
00:52:14,531 --> 00:52:15,232
and a half and do a little --

2169
00:52:15,232 --> 00:52:15,933
>> Yeah.

2170
00:52:15,933 --> 00:52:17,568
We made it, like, one shot

2171
00:52:17,568 --> 00:52:18,902
and just, like, a quick little,

2172
00:52:18,902 --> 00:52:20,170
like, banter scene that was,

2173
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:20,938
like, really funny,

2174
00:52:20,938 --> 00:52:22,272
and then we'd put that up,

2175
00:52:22,272 --> 00:52:23,540
and that led to more followers,

2176
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:25,142
which then led to more people

2177
00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:27,211
watching the actual show.

2178
00:52:27,211 --> 00:52:27,945
>> Yeah.

2179
00:52:27,945 --> 00:52:28,946
>> Yeah, we put them

2180
00:52:28,946 --> 00:52:30,547
all up online,

2181
00:52:30,547 --> 00:52:31,482
but we publicize

2182
00:52:31,482 --> 00:52:32,750
them week by week,

2183
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:34,218
so if people wanted

2184
00:52:34,218 --> 00:52:35,886
to watch them all,

2185
00:52:35,886 --> 00:52:36,920
they could,

2186
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,489
but then we treated it as if

2187
00:52:38,489 --> 00:52:40,190
it was like a weekly release.

2188
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:40,924
It's going to change

2189
00:52:40,924 --> 00:52:41,692
for everything.

2190
00:52:41,692 --> 00:52:42,659
I think that's a good

2191
00:52:42,659 --> 00:52:43,460
conversation

2192
00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:44,862
to have while you're editing

2193
00:52:44,862 --> 00:52:46,196
because that process will take

2194
00:52:46,196 --> 00:52:47,131
a long time, and then you can

2195
00:52:47,131 --> 00:52:47,831
start being like,

2196
00:52:47,831 --> 00:52:48,599
"Okay. These are

2197
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:49,867
the film festivals coming up."

2198
00:52:49,867 --> 00:52:51,001
I also never think about

2199
00:52:51,001 --> 00:52:51,835
that stuff,

2200
00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:52,703
so I'm like, "If they need it

2201
00:52:52,703 --> 00:52:54,004
to not be released, it's, like,

2202
00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:55,773
okay, I'll take it all down."

2203
00:52:55,773 --> 00:52:56,340
>> Oh, yeah.

2204
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:56,840
We did that, too.

2205
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,008
>> But, yeah, find

2206
00:52:58,008 --> 00:52:59,109
what's the goal for you.

2207
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:59,877
>> Yeah.

2208
00:52:59,877 --> 00:53:01,578
>> Thank you.

2209
00:53:01,578 --> 00:53:02,846
>> So, you talked a little bit

2210
00:53:02,846 --> 00:53:05,082
about focusing on your craft,

2211
00:53:05,082 --> 00:53:06,550
and, like, a lot of you guys

2212
00:53:06,550 --> 00:53:08,819
have, like, multiple titles.

2213
00:53:08,819 --> 00:53:11,455
As a writer and going to

2214
00:53:11,455 --> 00:53:12,990
writing, like, creative writing,

2215
00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:14,525
and they didn't teach us

2216
00:53:14,525 --> 00:53:17,494
how to produce and so

2217
00:53:17,494 --> 00:53:19,897
with that, and with the web,

2218
00:53:19,897 --> 00:53:21,031
how you have to --

2219
00:53:21,031 --> 00:53:22,099
It seems like there are a lot of

2220
00:53:22,099 --> 00:53:25,402
writers/producers/this/that.

2221
00:53:25,402 --> 00:53:27,838
Do you think that us writers,

2222
00:53:27,838 --> 00:53:31,108
we should learn how to produce

2223
00:53:31,108 --> 00:53:33,877
or really just focus on writing

2224
00:53:33,877 --> 00:53:36,647
and finding other people

2225
00:53:36,647 --> 00:53:39,650
to do all the other stuff?

2226
00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:40,684
>> I think you can never have

2227
00:53:40,684 --> 00:53:41,351
too many tools

2228
00:53:41,351 --> 00:53:42,352
in your tool belt.

2229
00:53:42,352 --> 00:53:43,153
>> Mm-hmm.

2230
00:53:43,153 --> 00:53:45,222
>> I think you only will benefit

2231
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:46,023
from researching

2232
00:53:46,023 --> 00:53:47,291
and learning those things.

2233
00:53:47,291 --> 00:53:48,592
>> Mm-hmm.

2234
00:53:48,592 --> 00:53:51,128
>> But I think you also do need

2235
00:53:51,128 --> 00:53:52,496
to find those other people

2236
00:53:52,496 --> 00:53:53,130
to teach you

2237
00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:54,231
and show you the way.

2238
00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:55,833
I've learned a lot about

2239
00:53:55,833 --> 00:53:56,633
producing

2240
00:53:56,633 --> 00:53:58,102
from my friends who do produce,

2241
00:53:58,102 --> 00:53:59,136
you know what I mean?

2242
00:53:59,136 --> 00:54:01,271
I did not get the skills

2243
00:54:01,271 --> 00:54:02,439
to be a writer in school,

2244
00:54:02,439 --> 00:54:04,241
but I talked to my friends

2245
00:54:04,241 --> 00:54:05,008
who were writers,

2246
00:54:05,008 --> 00:54:05,709
and they showed me the way of,

2247
00:54:05,709 --> 00:54:06,677
like, where to go to,

2248
00:54:06,677 --> 00:54:08,112
like, get that education,

2249
00:54:08,112 --> 00:54:12,149
so the world is your oyster.

2250
00:54:12,149 --> 00:54:12,816
>> Yeah.

2251
00:54:12,816 --> 00:54:13,750
I think a lot of people

2252
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:14,518
pick up skills

2253
00:54:14,518 --> 00:54:15,819
out of a necessity,

2254
00:54:15,819 --> 00:54:17,121
so it's not necessarily like,

2255
00:54:17,121 --> 00:54:17,921
"Okay. I'm also

2256
00:54:17,921 --> 00:54:18,755
going to learn how to produce."

2257
00:54:18,755 --> 00:54:20,357
It's that you make something,

2258
00:54:20,357 --> 00:54:21,558
and since it's yours,

2259
00:54:21,558 --> 00:54:24,128
you end up producing it,

2260
00:54:24,128 --> 00:54:27,831
and I started as, like, a PA,

2261
00:54:27,831 --> 00:54:30,167
and then within a couple months,

2262
00:54:30,167 --> 00:54:30,934
because I was working at a crazy

2263
00:54:30,934 --> 00:54:32,903
place, I was shooting and then

2264
00:54:32,903 --> 00:54:34,037
doing all these other things,

2265
00:54:34,037 --> 00:54:35,439
and while I don't do that

2266
00:54:35,439 --> 00:54:37,107
anymore, I can now have

2267
00:54:37,107 --> 00:54:38,408
a better conversation

2268
00:54:38,408 --> 00:54:39,710
with the DPs

2269
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:41,011
and to the camera ops,

2270
00:54:41,011 --> 00:54:42,613
and it's so invaluable

2271
00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:43,614
because

2272
00:54:43,614 --> 00:54:46,250
I can communicate quicker,

2273
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:49,453
and we can be on the same page.

2274
00:54:49,453 --> 00:54:51,155
But don't do it if you,

2275
00:54:51,155 --> 00:54:51,989
you know --

2276
00:54:51,989 --> 00:54:53,223
editors --

2277
00:54:53,223 --> 00:54:55,392
I also believe in distinct jobs

2278
00:54:55,392 --> 00:54:56,059
and getting

2279
00:54:56,059 --> 00:54:57,327
really good at a craft.

2280
00:54:57,327 --> 00:54:59,129
So with that being said,

2281
00:54:59,129 --> 00:55:01,999
it's great to be able to talk in

2282
00:55:01,999 --> 00:55:02,966
all these different languages,

2283
00:55:02,966 --> 00:55:04,201
but, at the same point,

2284
00:55:04,201 --> 00:55:06,236
it's great to have expertise.

2285
00:55:06,236 --> 00:55:07,004
>> Mm-hmm.

2286
00:55:07,004 --> 00:55:08,438
>> Yeah. I think it's like a

2287
00:55:08,438 --> 00:55:09,072
best-of-both-worlds thing.

2288
00:55:09,072 --> 00:55:10,107
Meet as many producers

2289
00:55:10,107 --> 00:55:10,841
as you can,

2290
00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:12,075
and the more time you spend

2291
00:55:12,075 --> 00:55:12,976
with them, the more you

2292
00:55:12,976 --> 00:55:14,344
will learn, as well, you know?

2293
00:55:14,344 --> 00:55:15,112
>> Yeah.

2294
00:55:15,112 --> 00:55:15,946
>> So I don't think it has

2295
00:55:15,946 --> 00:55:17,681
to be an either-or situation.

2296
00:55:17,681 --> 00:55:18,282
>> Yeah.

2297
00:55:18,282 --> 00:55:19,016
Or I would just say,

2298
00:55:19,016 --> 00:55:20,150
like, just get on more sets.

2299
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:20,884
Like,

2300
00:55:20,884 --> 00:55:22,953
just offer to PA for a day.

2301
00:55:22,953 --> 00:55:23,620
Like, it doesn't mean

2302
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:24,721
you have to PA forever.

2303
00:55:24,721 --> 00:55:27,224
No one does, but if you PA,

2304
00:55:27,224 --> 00:55:27,925
and then you're watching

2305
00:55:27,925 --> 00:55:28,659
what's happening,

2306
00:55:28,659 --> 00:55:29,493
and you see 20 other people

2307
00:55:29,493 --> 00:55:30,460
doing stuff, you're like,

2308
00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:31,295
"Hey, that's cool.

2309
00:55:31,295 --> 00:55:32,329
What's going on over there?"

2310
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:33,030
Go over and be like,

2311
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:34,565
"Hey, what are you doing?

2312
00:55:34,565 --> 00:55:35,365
You know, I want

2313
00:55:35,365 --> 00:55:36,667
to learn what you're doing."

2314
00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:37,601
"Do you need help?"

2315
00:55:37,601 --> 00:55:38,335
Normally, it's,

2316
00:55:38,335 --> 00:55:39,503
"Can I carry this for you?"

2317
00:55:39,503 --> 00:55:40,904
And then you just get

2318
00:55:40,904 --> 00:55:41,705
in conversation,

2319
00:55:41,705 --> 00:55:43,173
and, like, I was a PA.

2320
00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:44,208
I wanted to do camera.

2321
00:55:44,208 --> 00:55:45,943
I started camera PAing.

2322
00:55:45,943 --> 00:55:47,711
I was an AC, camera operator.

2323
00:55:47,711 --> 00:55:49,213
Now I'm a DP, and it's like

2324
00:55:49,213 --> 00:55:50,013
the more you learn,

2325
00:55:50,013 --> 00:55:52,082
the more people you know,

2326
00:55:52,082 --> 00:55:53,317
just, like, learning different

2327
00:55:53,317 --> 00:55:54,918
skill sets, and you don't have

2328
00:55:54,918 --> 00:55:55,953
to be, like, a master at it,

2329
00:55:55,953 --> 00:55:57,588
but, like, to speak the language

2330
00:55:57,588 --> 00:55:58,655
or to understand

2331
00:55:58,655 --> 00:55:59,423
what someone's doing,

2332
00:55:59,423 --> 00:56:00,691
and everyone is very friendly

2333
00:56:00,691 --> 00:56:02,092
on set, for the most part,

2334
00:56:02,092 --> 00:56:03,827
because if you want to learn,

2335
00:56:03,827 --> 00:56:04,995
they're willing to teach you,

2336
00:56:04,995 --> 00:56:07,097
and they were you at some point.

2337
00:56:07,097 --> 00:56:07,631
>> Yeah.

2338
00:56:07,631 --> 00:56:08,865
>> So always ask

2339
00:56:08,865 --> 00:56:10,701
and always just take in

2340
00:56:10,701 --> 00:56:12,970
as much information as possible.

2341
00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:15,205
>> Thank you.

2342
00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:15,973
>> Well, thank you all.

2343
00:56:15,973 --> 00:56:16,840
That was terrific.

2344
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,342
Let's hear a big round

2345
00:56:18,342 --> 00:56:19,710
of applause.

2346
00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:22,212
[ Applause ]

2347
00:56:22,212 --> 00:56:23,180
>> This was so great.

2348
00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:24,715
You all spoke so well

2349
00:56:24,715 --> 00:56:26,817
about your craft.

2350
00:56:26,817 --> 00:56:29,720
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